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Lessons Learned | 19 comments (19 topical, editorial)
Re: Lessons Learned (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 12:47:13 AM MST
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luv2weld, I think posts like this are among the most educational posts, because they show the results of things that can go wrong and propose solutions.  I would have though nothing bad of using a tower stub of the design you originaly had.  I am guessing that the heat of welding made the pipe more brittle next to the weld as well. Thanks for sharing.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'


Re: Lessons Learned (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 12:53:59 AM MST
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One other note on the bearing.  I have some similar appearing flange bearings, and if I recall correctly the rated load parallel to the axis of rotation was only 15 percent of that perpendicular to that axis.  I wonder about how long they will hold up under this type of loading.  I know DanB had some thrust bearing designed to take loading in that axis, and I had wondered about tapered roller bearings for a yaw type of application because a pair of them should be able to handle a fair bit of loading both perpendicular and parallel, although I don't recall off hand seeing anyone using any for a yaw bearing, and the cost for the sizes required might be prohibitive.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
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Re: Lessons Learned (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Flux on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 02:56:36 AM MST
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Radial bearings are not intended to support much in the way of axial thrust but in these conditions they should be perfectly adequate, the thrust loading is not high for the large size of bearing.

Thrust races are ok as are angular contact ( expensive solution) I tend to use taper rollers to support the weight and keep things centred ( which ball thrust bearings won,t do easily).

On the only machine I have fitted with a full set of slip rings I used taper rollers top and bottom but the lack of frictional damping makes it rather inclined to wag around in turbulent winds.

I agree with something to take the vertical thrust and tend to use a taper roller at the top, the rest is sort of pipe on pipe but with a plastic or Tufnol ( Resin bonded linen) bush at the bottom end although most of this comes from my engineering background, as long as you keep grease in there plain pipe on pipe will last for many tears.

With any form of ball or roller bearing in these set ups it will work as long as you keep grease in and water out. If the thing starts to rust it will be no better than a steel plate sitting on the end of a pipe and may fail sooner.

Flux

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Re: Lessons Learned (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by harrie on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 03:10:31 PM MST
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Rich. My 22 foot duelrotor has had the taper roller bearings in it now for over a year. The turbine weighs in at over 500 lbs and has never had a problem, and I dont expect one. Photo below is had to see, but has a bearing at the top, and another one at about 16 inches down. The only thing is that it turns so freely that the turbine will yaw back and forth with turbulance which i wasnt too fond of, so I installed a spring loaded pin with a hole flange to hold it into the wind. the pin is operated with a 1/8" cable from the bottom of the tower. Those of you having trouble with furling may want to try this, cause it will not let the turbine yaw while furling. A picture of this is also below.





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