For me, the question is not whether over unity can exist, that answer is easy. The harder question I believe is, if a particular process "X" could work, would it be breaking over unity. AN example: suppose a process was discovered where water with the addition of a catalyst could be subjected to an energy source which reduces the bond between the H and O, such that the energy used to separate in total was smaller then the energy yielded upon normal recombination (such as heat or fuel cell electricity). Would this be breaking over unity..??..
.....Bill
Maybe it IS possible ?
boB [ Parent ]
Instead of trying for (ou) , the better route would be higher eff. , which is why electric heating looks so good. Heat from electric is about as high eff as you can get by doing normal math, BUT how did you get the start of that elec. heat? did it come from burning wood, gas, coal ? etc. The debate can go on and on.
When people get into the "math" and start talking (ou) I only half listen, unless they have all the math numbers to support it. Haven't had any luck yet.
Cheers Bruce S[ Parent ]
Yes, but, if you are applying "Z" units of energy to a process without a catalyst and a catalyst is now added which, lets say 4 folds the reaction, in the above process "X", do you not have to be reducing the HO bond to produce that result..??.. I agree the energy to produce the "Cat" has to be added, but if the "Cat" is a true "Cat", then it doesn't partake in the reaction. Depending on the longevity of the "Cat", its initial energy used for creation could be miniscule comparing to the liberated energy of the reaction.
.....Bill[ Parent ]
