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need advice on making a solar porch light | 11 comments (11 topical)
Re: need advice on making a solar porch light (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Madscientist267 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 at 10:13:28 AM MST

The info provided about what you have and what you intend to do with it is a bit on the vague side...

Can't determine if since you are using a buck converter to drive the LED, if the 350mA refers to current into the LED itself, or the current the buck converter is drawing from the battery. Either is feasable, but makes a big difference in calculating the power requirements.

One would assume that you are also going to use both batteries in parallel, totaling 12V @ 9AH.

Your best bet for calculating what you need is to convert everything into watts. It makes the math easier.

The very basic raw info you need to know to come up with a workable setup is:

A - How much battery capacity you have, in this case 108WH (12Vx9AH)

B - How much power the LED will use.

Using an average drop of 3.2V for white LED's, 350mA would use 1.12W of power. This is neglecting the efficiency losses of the converter, since in this scenario, that information is missing.

If the 350mA is the power going into the buck converter, you're looking at 4.2 watts, and includes the losses in the converter. Big difference.

C - Worst case scenario of how long you expect to have the light on. Going with the 10 hours you specified, this works out to either 11.2WH (plus losses) or 42WH depending on the above.

For the former scenario, the battery is fairly well matched (and has plenty of reserve) to power the LED on a nightly basis, draining it by just over 10%. The latter, not so much. You'd be around 40% discharge nightly (at a minimum); with not-so-sunny days making the following night pull it well into the 'danger' zone, shortening their lifespan considerably. Don't expect your SLA's to hang around long in this situation.

The PV capacity needed is all about philosophy and how much insolation you get where you live, and different people will say different things. Where I am, an average panel capacity of about 150% of my load covers my use, but I also don't run the loads all night either. On that same note, I usually have a surplus on most days.

If the components are reasonably matched, you probably won't need any kind of special charge controller for this. A 14V zener rated at 1A would provide all the surplus power dumping your system would ever need and then some, and is simple and cost effective.

Hope this helps...

Steve




Re: need advice on making a solar porch light (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by gameman on Sun Mar 22, 2009 at 03:26:32 PM MST

i'm new at this so i'm sorry for not giving enough info.
the buck puck driver has a out put of 350ma  ( if i'm reading the info that came with it right ).
yes i'm going with the batts wired in parallel .
i think my led has a 9.45Vf - Forward Voltage @ 350mA .. it has 3 led's mounted on a star board well here's a link take a look incase i'm wrong  http://www.ledsupply.com/07007-pwc-10-3.php
and my buck puck driver here http://www.ledsupply.com/03023-d-n-350.php
now if my voltage drop on the led board is 9.45 v @350ma total  i will be  at 3.3 watts ?? ( not sure how to fit in losses) so if i'm thinking right i still have enough battery power ?
now if i use a charge controller and i get a few not so sunny days will the charge controller cut off the power from the batts going to the led to save the batts when the battery voltage drops down to low ??
thanks for the info so far  there is more work to this stuff that what most people think

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Re: need advice on making a solar porch light (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Madscientist267 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 at 06:56:25 PM MST

With the arrangement that I believe you have, it comes out to yes, about 3.3W. So to run it 10 hours would use 33WH of power dissipated by the LED module itself.

The losses, assuming the datasheet for the converter is accurate, are about 7% for nominal 12V, or 93% efficient. Call it 90% efficient to make math easy, and give a little wiggle room.

So for every watt in, 100mW will be wasted as heat in the converter. To get your 3.3W to the LED, you'll be pulling just shy of 3.7W from the batteries, losing ~0.4W as heat.

This works out to 37WH, which as I mentioned earlier, is really stretching it health-wise for 108WH of battery, at just over 33% of capacity. Depending on design, the batteries may or may not tolerate this well. You mentioned they were for cranking a lawnmower; batteries designed to crank generally aren't set up for deeper cycling than a few percent of capacity. On this small of a scale, tho, I couldn't say for sure. If not, a few sunless days and the grim reaper will visit them early. :(

As for a charge controller disconnecting the LED from the battery when the voltage drops to a certain point, yes, some do. The caveat here is that you'll probably spend more on the charge controller that does this than all of the other components combined (based on what I've seen so far).

http://www.windsun.com/ChargeControls/ChargeCont.htm has a down-n-dirty explaination of what they are, when they're needed, and what they are and aren't designed to do.

A undervolt cutoff could be done much cheaper with the DIY approach: A comparator chip, a few resistors, a zener, and a MOSFET as the master disconnect. I'm assuming you're already going to be using a light sensor of some sort to shut it down during the day, right? It wouldn't be hard to integrate the cutoff circuitry into the existing schematic. Consider a timer circuit as well, shortening even to 5 hours each night will improve your margins a good deal.

And like I said, for the charge control itself, all you need to do is dump the surplus once the batteries are full. A single zener of appropriate power handling will work beautifully for this since you're talking such small quantities of power.

As for being new, experimenting is how you get your wings (sorry guys, couldn't resist). And yes, concepts and real world don't line up perfectly, leading to deeper thought than what is on the surface. But tweaking concepts is what this place is all about. Don't be afraid to try things, just use extra caution when either of the following two circumstances are present:

  1. - Expensive parts. It really sucks when you let the magic smoke out of something you just payed really good money for. Cheap components? Eh, who cares. Dime a dozen... :)
  2. - When you or someone else around you could be in danger as a result of your experiment. A couple trips to the ER have taught me a thing or two... :(
Generally the latter doesn't apply to things like solar porch lights...

Other than that? Don't be afraid to ask. There's good people here. Many very knowledgeable. As long as you've done a little homework (ie you're not trying to power your house from a 9V battery and a garden solar light), they're usually more than happy to help.

Steve


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