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Gin Pole Issue | 23 comments (23 topical)
Re: Gin Pole Issue (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by SparWeb on Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 05:15:50 PM MST

I must applaud you for taking your project so seriously that you asked for expert help when it was needed.  I suspected our earlier exchanges were not helping as much as you wanted.  Hard to explore a topic in that much depth on a forum.

Those loads look a lot like the figures for my 45' tower, which are pretty fresh in my mind as I am installing a winch to raise it.  Did he mention anything about loads and/or safety factors on the cables?  
Steven Fahey
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Re: Gin Pole Issue (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by behoof on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:57:36 PM MST

Hi Steven,

Yes he did stress safety factors both built into materials when spec'ing your project. i.e. a piece of schedule 40 3" tubing has a built in safety factor in its MSDS, and so on.

On the cables he suggested to be careful and be sure not to exceed the recommended safety limits. Example: If all you know is the breaking strength of a given cable do not exceed 20% of that number. so as in my case, I have a compression factor +/- 1500 lbs and I'm using 5/16" cable for guys and 3/8" for lifting cable. The 5/16" 7x19 I'm using has a breaking strength of 9800lbs so I won't exceed 20% of that number or 1960lbs for my guys, and remember I'm using 4 sets of 4 guys so there is a multiple of strength there. And on the lifting cable the 3/8" is rated at a breaking strength of 14400lbs, so, my safety factor for lifting weight (considering compression factor too) is 2880lbs which leaves me well within a very good safety range.

I'm also wondering why, after all I've learned from this Engineering Firm, folks don't consider using square tubing for towers? Just a thought of course, perhaps there's some really good reason for it but the strength factor of square is way higher for a given diameter when compared to an equal diameter of round. Just a thought??

Anyway, I really appreciate your keeping up with this thread, I don't mean to be a bug about it, usually not my style but when you see a reasonably substantial piece of material bend like spaghetti it definitely gets my attention.

If you're interested, I sent you my email address, feel free to use it, would love to chat regarding all this.

Thanks again,
Skip aka behoof

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Re: Gin Pole Issue (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by SparWeb on Wed Jul 08, 2009 at 03:46:00 PM MST

That is good guidance you have been given.  You can boil it down to a set of instructions that keep you safe, or you can delve into details that may make you more knowledgeable, but not necessarily much safer.  I go for the latter but that's just me and my nerdy ways.

A square tower has more drag in the wind - a negligible effect compared to the wind turbine loading.  But when you consider that for free-standing truss towers, three legs are the norm because 3 legs have less drag than 4, then you can see that most tower builders get away from using square anything.  The philosophy can carry you along to places where it doesn't matter, like pipe towers, where a few 10's of pounds do not matter.  Besides, round is cheaper and easier to buy, and the yawing joints are simpler, etc...

I will send you an e-mail because I want to "check up" on some things the engineer told you... :^)
Steven Fahey
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