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Understanding AH ratings | 20 comments (20 topical)
Re: Understanding AH ratings (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by RandomJoe on Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 03:49:24 PM MST

I run my ham bench (and a few other things) solely off a solar / battery array.  There is a major item you need to keep in mind, aside from what the battery can handle.

Your station is likely to shut down LONG before you get to 1.75V per cell.  That's 10.5V battery voltage, and most all 12V ham gear I've seen is specced at 13.8V +/- 15%, so the low end is around 11.73V.  Even if the radios do keep running, they may (at best) act squirrely, not put out full power, or just not put out anything at all.  At worst, they may start generating garbage all over the band(s) as various circuits start operating outside their design parameters, or resetting the microprocessor and losing your settings, or even potentially damage themselves.  (I've seen forum posts on a few highly microprocessor-controlled rigs that can wipe service settings in hidden menus that effectively leave the unit useless when the power drops too low.)

Also keep in mind, the voltage will sag some when you start pulling current.  The larger your current draw is a percentage of the battery's total AH rating, the larger that sag will be.  Different chemistries and designs will also affect that.

So I'd suggest you at least size up the battery so you don't fall below 11.7V or so (or be optimistic and go with 11.5V) for the desired "outage duration" you want to target.

Each person is different, of course, with differing motivations, but in my case I figured just getting a "backup battery" to standby on float all the time would be rather boring...  I rarely have power outage, even short ones.  And I wanted to be able to continue operating at full capacity even during an outage, so I just installed a solar system capable of doing that and am now off-grid full-time for the ham bench.  I sized my battery bank primarily to handle the refrigerator as well during an outage, but that just means I draw it down even less during normal times.  Or I can opt to run something else off of it "just because"! :)


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Re: Understanding AH ratings (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by mwallred on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:28:17 AM MST

I've read a bunch on running ham stations off-grid and nobody ever mentioned that you really can't go below 12V. At least not that I recall. It makes a whole lot of sense, though. Thanks for bringing it up.

Just thinking outside the battery box for a second here... would it maybe make sense that rather than boosting my 13.8V battery bank (currently a bank of one) up to where I don't ever go below 12V, instead I add an appropriate 6V battery in series to create an 18V (or 20.7V) source and put in a heavy enough 12V regulator to run everything? Wouldn't that give me a lot more run time before it dropped below 12V? Or would I lose too much in the regulator to make it worth it?

Either way, I'm even more convinced that I need to increase my solar output.

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Re: Understanding AH ratings (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by ghurd on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:11:54 AM MST

Charging, controlling, and using an 18V bank will be a bit of a pain.
Have to build a charge controller, which would have to be a labor of love to build a decent unit comparable to a $50 12V unit.
Have to very inefficiently use expensive 24V solar panels, which will have an open voltage past 40V (see build a controller), unless you could find 6V panels with enough output to be useful.
Have to have a switching regulator to get much efficiency.
Brings up some series battery issues I would not care to have in a small system.

PowerSteam makes an off the shelf solution.
Input shown as 9 to 14V.  Output of 13.8V.  ~90% efficient.  Starting at $120.
There is a note about ham radio use at the bottom.
http://www.powerstream.com/dc2.htm

It may be a non issue.  Like Bob said, I would not run the batteries below about 12.2V if there was a way around it.  
The fancy charger on a generator, a $10 handyman generator, long jumper cables to an idling car...
G-

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