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Decimals to fractions
« on: January 31, 2010, 12:48:16 PM »
 A reasonably priced drill press has more end play in the quill that the difference between 0.86 and whatever the nearest fraction would be in sixty-fourths. We are working in wood at this stage of the game. I checked in the home brew book and could not find a conversion chart for decimals to fractions. Ok I get 1.75, but how about a hint.... 0.86 equals......?  0.61 equals.....? Thanks for the help.


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 12:55:40 PM »
I did the 86 over 100 math and 43/50 makes me feel somewhat like bevis or butthead. I should have asked for a drill bit size I can buy at a hardware store. Remember when people who worked there new stuff?


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 01:01:23 PM »
.86 as a fraction only reduces to 86/100 and therefore, does not work out evenly into 64ths. If that's what you want, though, all you have to do is multiple .86 by 64, giving you 55.04/64. Close enough for me!
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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 01:03:23 PM »
This is pretty basic math. Never seen a "chart' myself but it may exist.


1/8" is.125"

1/16" is 0625"


The rest should be easy basic adding or multiplying.


Some decimal values will not be a sensible fraction you will find on a tape measure.


Best I can do is give you the info to sort it out.


And there it is.


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 01:10:29 PM »
I'm begining to see the light. It doesn't look like there is a good way to express that number on a regular ruler. I'll pass on the drill bit tho. It would cost alot, guess I need a ruler with decimals on it.


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 02:15:48 PM »
the closest to .086 in 64ths would be 5/64ths, which is .07812

 now you can creep a little bit close to the number if you go 32nds. So 3/32 is .09375


 You might know this but to convert to metric just remember the magic number 25.4

 Lets say you want to convert 3/8ths of an inch ( or in decimel.375)to metric

 just take .375 (always convert your fractional tolerence to a decimel) and multipy by 25.5 ...whic gives us 9.525mm


To go from metric to decimel just divide by 25.4...Lets say we need to drill or ream a hole to 11.11 mm, but all we have is fractional stuff laying around and need to hit the hole as close as we can.

 We take 11.11 divded by 25.4 which gives us .4374, which is just one-ten thousandths off from 7/16ths of an inch which is .4375 sometimes conversion is our best friend!


 Here's a quick and dirty fractional to decimel chart:


Eights

1/8 0.125

1/4 0.250

3/8 0.375

1/2 0.500

5/8 0.625

3/4 0.750

7/8 0.875

Sixteenths

1/16 0.0625

3/16 0.1875

5/16 0.3125

7/16 0.4375

9/16 0.5625

11/16 0.6875

13/16 0.8125

15/16 0.9375

Thirty-seconds

1/32 0.03125

3/32 0.09375

5/32 0.15625

7/32 0.21875

9/32 0.28125

11/32 0.34375

13/32 0.40625

15/32 0.46875

17/32 0.53125

19/32 0.59375

21/32 0.65625

23/32 0.71875

25/32 0.78125

27/32 0.84375

29/32 0.90625

31/32 0.96875

Sixty-fourths

1/64 0.015625

3/64 0.046875

5/64 0.078125

7/64 0.109375

9/64 0.140625

11/64 0.171875

13/64 0.203125

15/64 0.234375

17/64 0.265625

19/64 0.296875

21/64 0.328125

23/64 0.359375

25/64 0.390625

27/64 0.421875

29/64 0.453125

31/64 0.484375

33/64 0.515625

35/64 0.546875

37/64 0.578125

39/64 0.609375

41/64 0.640625

43/64 0.671875

45/64 0.703125

47/64 0.734375

49/64 0.765625

51/64 0.796875

53/64 0.828125

55/64 0.859375

57/64 0.890625

59/64 0.921875

61/64 0.953125

63/64 0.984375


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 02:26:35 PM »
decimal equivalent, multiply mm times .03937. For exact mm equivalent, multiply decimal times 25.4.

Drill Bit Decimal Equivalency Chart

Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

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58 0.0420 1.067

57 0.0430 1.092

1.10 0.0433 1.100

1.15 0.0453 1.150

56 0.0465 1.181

3/64 0.0469 1.191

1.20 0.0472 1.200

1.25 0.0492 1.250

1.30 0.0512 1.300

55 0.0520 1.321

1.35 0.0531 1.350

54 0.0550 1.397

1.40 0.0551 1.400

1.45 0.0571 1.450

1.50 0.0591 1.500

53 0.0595 1.511

1.55 0.0610 1.550

1/16 0.0625 1.588

1.60 0.0630 1.600

52 0.0635 1.613

1.65 0.0650 1.650

1.70 0.0669 1.700

51 0.0670 1.702

1.75 0.0689 1.750

50 0.0700 1.778

1.80 0.0709 1.800

1.85 0.0728 1.850

49 0.0730 1.854

1.90 0.0748 1.900

48 0.0760 1.930

1.95 0.0768 1.950

5/64 0.0781 1.984

47 0.0785 1.994

2.00 0.0787 2.000

2.05 0.0807 2.050

46 0.0810 2.057

45 0.0820 2.083

2.10 0.0827 2.100

2.15 0.0846 2.150

44 0.0860 2.184

2.20 0.0866 2.200

2.25 0.0866 2.250

80 0.0135 0.343

0.35 0.0138 0.350

79 0.0145 0.368

0.38 0.0150 0.380

1/64 0.0156 0.396

0.40 0.0157 0.400

78 0.0160 0.406

0.42 0.0165 0.420

0.45 0.0177 0.450

77 0.0180 0.457

0.48 0.0189 0.480

0.50 0.0197 0.500

76 0.0200 0.508

75 0.0210 0.533

0.55 0.0217 0.550

74 0.0225 0.572

0.60 0.0236 0.600

73 0.0240 0.610

72 0.0250 0.635

0.65 0.0256 0.650

71 0.0260 0.660

0.70 0.0276 0.700

70 0.0280 0.711

69 0.0292 0.742

0.75 0.0295 0.750

68 0.0310 0.787

1/32 0.0312 0.792

0.80 0.0315 0.800

67 0.0320 0.813

66 0.0330 0.838

0.85 0.0335 0.850

65 0.0350 0.889

0.90 0.0354 0.899

64 0.0360 0.914

63 0.0370 0.940

0.95 0.0374 0.950

62 0.0380 0.965

61 0.0390 0.991

1.00 0.0394 1.000

60 0.0400 1.016

59 0.0410 1.041

1.05 0.0413 1.050

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3.90 0.1535 3.900

23 0.1540 3.912

5/32 0.1562 3.967

22 0.1570 3.988

4.00 0.1575 4.000

21 0.1590 4.039

20 0.1610 4.089

4.10 0.1614 4.100

4.20 0.1654 4.200

19 0.1660 4.216

4.30 0.1693 4.300

18 0.1695 4.305

11/64 0.1719 4.366

17 0.1730 4.394

4.40 0.1732 4.400

16 0.1770 4.496

4.50 0.1772 4.500

15 0.1800 4.572

4.60 0.1811 4.600

14 0.1820 4.623

13 4.70 0.1850 4.700

3/16 0.1875 4.762

12 4.80 0.1890 4.800

11 0.1910 4.851

4.90 0.1929 4.900

10 0.1935 4.915

9 0.1960 4.978

5.00 0.1969 5.000

8 0.1990 5.054

5.10 0.2008 5.100

7 0.2010 5.105

13/64 0.2031 5.159

6 0.2040 5.182

5.20 0.2047 5.200

5 0.2055 5.220

5.30 0.2087 5.300

4 0.2090 5.309

5.40 0.2126 5.400

3 0.2130 5.410

5.50 0.2165 5.500

7/32 0.2188 5.558

5.60 0.2205 5.600

Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

43 0.0890 2.261

2.30 0.0906 2.300

2.35 0.0925 2.350

42 0.0935 2.375

3/32 0.0938 2.383

2.40 0.0945 2.400

41 0.0960 2.438

2.45 0.0965 2.450

40 0.0980 2.489

2.50 0.0984 2.500

39 0.0995 2.527

38 0.1015 2.578

2.60 0.1024 2.600

37 0.1040 2.642

2.70 0.1063 2.700

36 0.1065 2.705

7/64 0.1094 2.779

35 0.1100 2.794

2.80 0.1102 2.800

34 0.1110 2.819

33 0.1130 2.870

2.90 0.1142 2.900

32 0.1160 2.946

3.00 0.1181 3.000

31 0.1200 3.048

3.10 0.1220 3.100

1/8 0.1250 3.175

3.20 0.1260 3.200

30 0.1285 3.264

3.30 0.1299 3.300

3.40 0.1339 3.400

29 0.1360 3.454

3.50 0.1378 3.500

28 0.1405 3.569

9/64 0.1406 3.571

3.60 0.1417 3.600

27 0.1440 3.658

3.70 0.1457 3.700

26 0.1470 3.734

25 0.1495 3.797

3.80 0.1496 3.800

24 0.1520 3.861

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For exact decimal equivalent, multiply mm times .03937. For exact mm equivalent, multiply decimal times 25.4.

Drill Bit Decimal Equivalency Chart (cont'd.)

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Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

2 0.2210 5.613

5.70 0.2244 5.700

1 0.2280 5.791

5.80 0.2283 5.800

5.90 0.2323 5.900

A 0.2340 5.944

15/64 0.2344 5.954

6.00 0.2362 6.000

B 0.2380 6.045

6.10 0.2402 6.100

C 0.2420 6.147

6.20 0.2441 6.200

D 0.2460 6.248

6.30 0.2480 6.300

E 0.2500 6.350

6.40 0.2520 6.400

6.50 0.2559 6.500

F 0.2570 6.528

6.60 0.2598 6.600

G 0.2610 6.629

6.70 0.2638 6.700

17/64 0.2656 6.746

H 0.2660 6.756

6.80 0.2677 6.800

6.90 0.2717 6.900

I 0.2720 6.909

7.00 0.2756 7.000

J 0.2770 7.036

7.10 0.2795 7.100

K 0.2810 7.137

9/32 0.2812 7.142

7.20 0.2835 7.200

7.30 0.2874 7.300

L 0.2900 7.366

7.40 0.2913 7.400

M 0.2950 7.493

7.50 0.2953 7.500

19/64 0.2969 7.541

7.60 0.2992 7.600

N 0.3020 7.671

7.70 0.3031 7.700

7.80 0.3071 7.800

7.90 0.3110 7.900

5/16 0.3125 7.938

8.00 0.3150 8.000

O 0.3160 8.026

8.10 0.3189 8.100

8.20 0.3228 8.200

P 0.3230 8.204

8.30 0.3268 8.300

21/64 0.3281 8.334

8.40 0.3307 8.400

Q 0.3320 8.433

8.50 0.3346 8.500

8.60 0.3386 8.600

R 0.3390 8.611

8.70 0.3425 8.700

11/32 0.3438 8.733

8.80 0.3465 8.800

S 0.3480 8.839

8.90 0.3504 8.900

9.00 0.3543 9.000

T 0.3580 9.093

9.10 0.3583 9.100

23/64 0.3594 9.129

9.20 0.3622 9.200

9.30 0.3661 9.300

U 0.3680 9.347

9.40 0.3701 9.400

9.50 0.3740 9.500

3/8 0.3750 9.525

V 0.3770 9.576

9.60 0.3780 9.600

9.70 0.3819 9.700

9.80 0.3858 9.800

W 0.3860 9.804

9.90 0.3898 9.900

25/64 0.3906 9.921

10.00 0.3937 10.000

X 0.3970 10.084

10.20 0.4016 10.200

Y 0.4040 10.262

13/32 0.4062 10.317

Z 0.4130 10.490

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For exact decimal equivalent, multiply mm times .03937. For exact mm equivalent, multiply decimal times 25.4.

Drill Bit Decimal Equivalency Chart (cont'd)

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Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

Fraction, Decimal Decimal

Number or Metric Equivalent Equivalent

Letter Size Size (in.) (mm)

10.50 0.4134 10.500

27/64 0.4219 10.716

10.80 0.4252 10.800

11.00 0.4331 11.000

7/16 0.4375 11.112

11.20 0.4409 11.200

11.50 0.4528 11.500

29/64 0.4531 11.509

11.80 0.4646 11.800

15/32 0.4688 11.908

12.00 0.4724 12.000

12.20 0.4803 12.200

31/64 0.4844 12.304

12.50 0.4921 12.500

1/2 0.5000 12.700

12.80 0.5039 12.800

13.00 0.5118 13.000

33/64 0.5156 13.096

13.20 0.5197 13.200

17/32 0.5312 13.492

13.50 0.5315 13.500

13.80 0.5433 13.800

35/64 0.5469 13.891

14.00 0.5512 14.000

14.25 0.5610 14.250

9/16 0.5625 14.288

14.50 0.5709 14.500

37/64 0.5781 14.684

14.75 0.5807 14.750

15.00 0.5906 15.000

19/32 0.5938 15.083

15.25 0.6004 15.250

39/64 0.6094 15.479

15.50 0.6102 15.500

15.75 0.6201 15.750

5/8 0.6250 15.875

16.00 0.6299 16.000

16.25 0.6398 16.250

41/64 0.6406 16.271

16.50 0.6496 16.500

21/32 0.6562 16.669

16.75 0.6594 16.750

17.00 0.6693 17.000

43/64 0.6719 17.066

17.25 0.6791 17.250

11/16 0.6875 17.462

17.50 0.6890 17.500

45/64 0.7031 17.859

18.00 0.7087 18.000

23/32 0.7188 18.258

18.50 0.7283 18.500

47/64 0.7344 18.654

19.00 0.7480 19.000

3/4 0.7500 19.050

49/64 0.7656 19.446

19.50 0.7677 19.500

25/32 0.7812 19.845

20.00 0.7879 20.000

51/64 0.7969 20.241

20.50 0.8071 20.500

13/16 0.8125 20.638

21.00 0.8268 21.000

53/64 0.8281 21.034

27/32 0.8438 21.433

21.50 0.8465 21.500

55/64 0.8594 21.829

22.00 0.8661 22.000

7/8 0.8750 22.225

22.50 0.8858 22.500

57/64 0.8906 22.621

23.00 0.9055 23.000

29/32 0.9062 23.017

59/64 0.9219 23.416

23.50 0.9252 23.500

15/16 0.9375 23.812

24.00 0.9449 24.000

61/64 0.9531 24.209

24.50 0.9646 24.500

31/32 0.9688 24.608

25.00 0.9843 25.000

63/64 0.9844 25.004

1 1.0000 25.400
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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 04:13:31 PM »
So long as we've got all this other good info.. just in case you're working with circles here's PI, to a few digits, enough to get your calculations close anyhow:


3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510

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82148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128

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33057270365759591953092186117381932611793105118548

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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 05:31:09 PM »
DanB,


I am too lazy to count so to how many decimal places did you calculate Pi ?


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 12:12:28 AM »
Dan, LOL!

  Looking back on it,I think it would have just been better if I had just done this, intead of all that cutting and pasting....sorry guys:


http://www.imperialinc.com/pdf/I_DrillSizeDecimalEquivalent&TapDrillChart.pdf

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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 09:58:13 AM »
Dang Dan, talk about a shcolarly reply..... I thank you verbosely. I felt guilty after my post to you guys and did some more looking around on the web instead of working on my wife's pot rack and came to this conclusion. 7/8ths  [ .875 ] seems pretty close to .86 so if I fudge the line on the negative side I should be ok. I imagine the width of a slightly dull pencil mark is probably close to the difference between the two numbers.


 Since we are hand winding on a hand built winder with naturally varying amounts of tension why would the you guys pick such a critical number? No two hand wound coils are going to be exactly the same tension or have the same resistance if you measure out to the hundredths of an ohm. Especially on a digital ohm meter. My Fluke 87 changes it's mind every .3 seconds. No that my self supporting rationalizations are over....


Is there some reason I should not use 7/8's and 21/32's? That is the question.


Thanks to everyone for the very useful tables. I'm saving them all to my solar/building folder. That's where the wind stuff lives too. I can not see all the other posts in this thread from this reply screen.


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 05:26:41 AM »
Nice one Dan, I think I'll print that for future reference.
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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 07:00:08 AM »
I am not sure specifically which dimensions you're referring to. I often mix up decimals and fractions when talking about drill sizes and such.


Regarding the coils - the number of turns is pretty critical, you can be off a bit one way or the other and... who knows for sure, it might work better!


Regarding measuring resistance with your fluke meter... with coils and stators you can kind of forget about that.  Perhaps a 48Volt stator has high enough resistance that you could measure it, but generally the resistance in these is so low that a normal ohm meter isn't useful -resistance in the leads, and even how hard you press the leads against the copper is significant.


I wouldnt worry about measuring resistance in coils, so long as the number of turns is about right, and the wire gauge isright it should work fine.  If you want to measure the finished stator, perhaps the best way is to hook it to a power supply, (or a battery) and measure voltage and current.


Another good way to estimate resistance (if you're sure you got it hooked up right) is simply weigh it.  From there you can use a wire gauge chart if you know the gauge of wire, and the weight... to determine resistance.

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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2010, 09:11:21 AM »
Hey Dan, my concern was the dimensions for the pins [nails] we wind the coils around. Specifically, how much rounding up or down to the nearest fractional equivalent from 0.86 and 0.61, would effect the physical distance between the coils on the stator and their performance. It doesn't seem like it would matter if it was close to the decimal figure. But the numbers used were pretty precise for wood working so I want to be sure it's ok to fudge a little.


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Re: Decimals to fractions
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2010, 06:33:35 AM »
I counted, 7500


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