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Re: Ethanol Plant
« Reply #108 on: March 06, 2013, 05:14:26 AM »
PROPER name is Hemp or Cabanis
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« Reply #109 on: March 06, 2013, 07:12:51 AM »
Yeah well, around here it's known as "Weed".  And it's illegal to plant or cultivate it in the US because the people that sign GMO petitions smoke it.  And the US taxpayers spend millions every year so DEA agents can run around in Suburbans and confiscate wild volunteer Weed that grows in the ditches and stuff.

NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre criticized the DEA program for spending millions of taxpayers' dollars to predominantly eradicate wild hemp. "The irony, of course, is that industrial hemp is grown legally throughout most the Western world as a commercial crop for its fiber content," he said. "Yet the US government is spending taxpayers' money to target and eradicate this same agricultural commodity."
http://norml.org/news/2006/09/07/98-percent-of-all-domestically-eradicated-marijuana-is-ditchweed-dea-admits

So instead of wasting your breath on GMO's why don't you petition the government to stop confiscatin' Weed?  Maybe you can get arrested like that stupid-a$$ Organic Woman that runs around organizing illegal sit-in's and Food Dumps, then when she gets arrested goes "Bawwww......I got a 2 month old baby."  Poor little kid.......
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« Reply #110 on: March 06, 2013, 08:17:38 AM »
Oh BTW - Weed is GMO now.  Had a big patch of the stuff that spread out from the ditch and got into the edge of my soybean field two years ago.  Sprayed it with Roundup and it didn't kill it - just stunted it in the field.  So then I sprayed it with Pursuit and that finished it off.  But there was still a big patch in the ditch.  It got 6 feet tall.  Then one day I seen it was all gone and I stopped and looked and there was tracks in the ditch - somebody seen it there, stopped and harvested it.

I don't know for sure who took it, but I'm thinking it was either the DEA or the Organic Woman and her GMO cronies.  That Organic Woman got arrested in Minneapolis either last summer or the summer before, so my guess is that when they drove thru here on their way to Minneapolis to organize her latest fiasco they seen it, jumped out, and put it in the trunk of their car.  LOL!

That Organic Woman and her cronies also blocked one of Monsanto's or DuPont/Pioneer's seed plants one time.  They parked a pickup in the road, all put on biohazard suits and masks and whatnot, and chained themselves to the pickup.  They all got drug off to jail over that one too.  ROTFLMFAO!
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« Reply #111 on: March 06, 2013, 09:39:22 AM »
Ya still didn't answer the question which plant.
  why did 200,000 people sign the petition  to have GMO'S  labled clearly?

Eat sh** 1 trillion flies Can't be wrong!

Argument in numbers is meaningles, all it proves is you got 200,000 people that are ignorant twits at best, some will have a vested agenda.

Now I really don't care sure lable it, let the idiots spend twice as much on "organic" product if it makes em feel warm and fuzzy, but in the end it is a big fat Zerro in terms of any meaning full argument or drive to change things!

If you want 100% non modified, go out into the forest find  wild edibles and start growing! Oh be prepared for a HUGE shift in flavours and eas of eating!
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« Reply #112 on: March 06, 2013, 09:44:58 AM »
Oh BTW - Weed is GMO now.  --
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Oh it isd allot more modified then that! man has cultivated thousands of strains, even the wild stuff has been pretty well selectively bred for at least min of over a 100 years.

There is not a plant on this earth that Humans use that has not been modified by some means! So all you people that think how evil modified plants are, quiick stop eating! save the world and air!
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« Reply #113 on: March 06, 2013, 10:27:13 AM »
The thing is, there is so much paranoia and mis-information out there that it is pretty much unbelievable.  It's like the Bt gene in corn.  If you watch that video of the Organic People that was posted, did you notice that one them said something about bees getting killed and another one says something to the effect of "the pesticide is in the plant".

This is how clueless people are.

The Bt gene is a bacteria called bacillus thuringienus and it is found naturally in the soil.  Plants take it up from the soil and develop a toxin as a natural defense to certain insects.  Well, Monsanto figured out how to put the gene in the corn so the plant synthesizes the toxin and is protected early in its life and doesn't have to get big enough to suck it out of the dirt before it can protect itself from certain caterpillars and bugs and worms that eat corn.  It is TOTALLY HARMLESS to honey bees, lady bugs (otherwise called "Asian Beetles"), spiders, wasps, birds, livestock or humans.  It is a NATURAL bacteria in the soil that has existed for millions and millions of years.  Corn bred with the Bt gene does NOT require application of pesticides with a sprayer, or soil applied with a planter, that DO harm honey bees.

This is how raving, freaking clueless these Organic People and GMO Activists really are.  They know nothing about the science behind it.  They only want to believe it is FrankenCorn, and when it gets down to where the rubber meets the road they don't even know the true meaning of "organic".  They have developed their own twisted definition of what "organic" is, totally not knowing that the processes of how a plant develops and grows is organic regardless of the sources of nutrients and natural defenses to diseases and pests that the plant exhibits.

Any time you can enhance natural defenses like Bt in a plant it is WAAAY better than using chemical pesticides like Counter, which contaminate the environment and harm beneficial insects like honey bees.  For years, farmers used chemicals to control these pests and now that we have crops that produce their own natural resistance to them we don't don't have to use anywhere near the amount of chemicals anymore.

Those are the facts.  But the facts are rarely looked at when you can generate paranoia by ignoring them and create your own rules so you got something to preach from the soapbox.
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Re: Ethanol Plant
« Reply #115 on: March 06, 2013, 04:40:08 PM »
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Folks, I believe this thread has strayed further from the original Ethanol Plant that ChrisO originally posted.
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Re: Ethanol Plant
« Reply #116 on: March 06, 2013, 04:45:56 PM »
The mining company has had some problems.. 

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/owner-of-proposed-gogebic-mine-has-groundwater-problems-in-illinois-operation-l391f18-195554751.html

It's a very interesting battle lining up. Just when you start to think the jobs market and the
State is going to triumph - the American Indians have something big to say.
Who is the biggest and baddest of them all?

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Bad River Chippewa could have say in Gogebic iron ore mine
 
Tribe received authority from the federal government to regulate water pollution beyond the reservation

By Lee Bergquist of the Journal Sentinel

Feb. 17, 2013

The future of an iron ore mine in northern Wisconsin could be influenced by an American Indian tribe that opposes the project and recently received authority from the federal government to regulate water pollution on and off the reservation.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency approved a request by the Bad River Chippewa in 2011 to set water quality standards for the nearly 125,000-acre reservation on the shore of Lake Superior.

This new power also lets the tribe dictate pollution limits on others outside the reservation that could harm tribal rivers such as the Bad River, and streams and wetlands.

The Bad River Chippewa also are seeking authority to regulate air pollution that would allow it to impose standards on large emissions sources.

Gogebic Taconite - and its plans for a $1.5 billion open-pit mine about 5 miles from the tribe's nearest boundary - would have to abide by the Bad River's authority.

The pit, plunging to a depth of 1,000 feet, would produce enormous amounts of waste rock and, potentially, runoff pollution that would flow in the direction of tribal lands if not handled properly.

Gogebic also is planning a factory to process iron ore into taconite pellets. The plant would have to meet Bad River's pending air standards.

A legal expert says the tribe's new environmental authority and its long-standing treaty rights could pose trouble for Gogebic.

"I think they present a substantial obstacle for the mine," said Richard Monette of the University of Wisconsin Law School and a specialist on American Indian law.

But officials with the EPA and the Department of Natural Resources believe it's premature to say that Bad River pollution authority could determine the fate of the mine.

Indeed, much is unknown:
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/bad-river-chippewa-could-have-say-in-gogebic-iron-ore-mine-ek8pstn-191612841.html

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« Reply #117 on: March 06, 2013, 05:18:05 PM »
Thanks Bruce.  I posted it to show people where 10% of your gasoline motor fuel comes from these days.  Since ethanol has been used as an additive in gasoline it has eliminated the use of other highly toxic octane boosters like tetraethyl lead and MTBE in gasoline motor fuel.

There's a lot of misconceptions (food for fuel, you put more energy in than you get out, etc. etc. etc..) on the use of ethanol as a motor fuel and those misconceptions are largely based on inaccurate information and deliberate stretching or distortion of facts by activists.  And they are propagated by people who simply repeat them without knowing what they're talking about.  But repeating and propagating untruths enough times does not make them truths or facts.

It takes 57,260 BTU to produce a gallon of gasoline that contains 114,000 BTU.  The crude oil has to drilled and extracted, transported and refined - all of which takes energy input to accomplish.  And actually HUGE amounts of electricity used in the petroleum refining process.

It takes 33,080 BTU to produce one gallon of corn ethanol that contains 76,100 BTU, including the petroleum energy inputs required to grow the crop and harvest it, and distill the alcohol, making ethanol production more energy efficient by a large margin than gasoline - PLUS you get 17 lbs of distillers grains out of that 33,080 BTU of energy input that is used feed livestock and grow food for people.

I wanted to show people a real ethanol plant.  Some people think it's all pie-in-the-sky, or fairyland.  Believe me - it's not.  We're producing 10% of your motor fuel for the whole nation right here in the Midwest every single day.  This particular plant I showed produces 4.75 million gallons per month - with WAY less adverse impact to the environment than producing the identical energy equivalent in gasoline causes.

So for the people who want to bitch about GMO's and mining and whatnot - go ahead - knock yourself out.  But we're actually doing something about preventing things like the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico by reducing the world's dependence on the stuff they spewed into the water down there.
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Re: Ethanol Plant
« Reply #118 on: March 06, 2013, 05:32:59 PM »
Bill;
No problem.
ChrisO;
From the standpoint of a distiller (I have my ATF papers and a permit) I know all to well how hard it is to get people to listen, even harder to get them to actually understand.
BUT when you have TV wannbie's out there pushing lies, it gets real hard.
I just keep on doing my thing and call a lie when it's a lie.

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« Reply #119 on: March 06, 2013, 05:46:10 PM »
I just keep on doing my thing and call a lie when it's a lie.

Yeah well, the world is full of people like the Organic Woman.  When she organized the Occupy the EPA fiasco (and got arrested on that one too) she gives this speech and says:

My name is Alexis Baden-Mayer. I work for the Organic Consumers Association's Millions Against Monsanto campaign and I'm 5 months pregnant.

As a pregnant woman in North America, eating a typical North American diet, in all likelihood, I have toxins genetically engineered by Monsanto coursing through my veins. I have a 9 out of 10 chance of having Monsanto's genetically engineered Bt toxin in my blood and the baby inside of me has an 8 out of 10 chance of the same toxic contamination

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_25169.cfm

Here's what Bt really is:
Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) occurs naturally in the soil and on plants. Different varieties of this bacterium produce a crystal protein that is toxic to specific groups of insects. Bt has been available in North America as a commercial microbial insecticide since the 1960s and is sold under various trade names. These products have an excellent safety record and can be used on crops until close to the day of harvest. Bt can be applied using conventional spray equipment but, because the bacteria must be eaten to be effective, good spray coverage is essential.
http://www.biocontrol.entomology.cornell.edu/pathogens/bacteria.html

People like the Organic Woman definitely got something wrong with them - most of it due to a High Capacity Vacuum between the ears.
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« Reply #120 on: March 06, 2013, 06:30:59 PM »
Sadly you couldn't beat the sense in them if you slapped their head through a steel bridge support! Much like religion they have don astounding mental gymnastics to convince them self they are the holder of the one true truth and every one ells are just shrills for Monsanto and BP oil, you see the idiocy in you tube all the time on the so called "free" energy devices consisting of a cow pie a crystal and some copper loops.

No amount of care full diligent explaining the reasons for why it will never work will jar a single brain cell to operation!
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« Reply #121 on: March 06, 2013, 06:46:21 PM »
"free" energy devices consisting of a cow pie a crystal and some copper loops.

Now, I must admit, that is one that I have not seen.  But I have no doubt it can be marketed and sold profitably    :o
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« Reply #122 on: March 06, 2013, 06:59:30 PM »
 ;)...i should,nt have mentioned the B word

maybe the F word would be more apt......seems i,m typing on top of a tiny bit of a big frack gas shale deposit

yes... the frack industry is coming and there very keen to get going at that .....

its the only show in town it seems ......all immaterial in a way as i,m going to be so rich i can leave , ....carnt i ?

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« Reply #123 on: March 06, 2013, 07:13:05 PM »
;)...i should,nt have mentioned the B word

maybe the F word would be more apt......seems i,m typing on top of a tiny bit of a big frack gas shale deposit

yes... the frack industry is coming and there very keen to get going at that .....

its the only show in town it seems ......all immaterial in a way as i,m going to be so rich i can leave , ....carnt i ?

 :)

Or just install a gas water separator and get free fuel for the house! and one mother of a green sand permanginate filtration system
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« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2013, 07:26:05 PM »
I would be very careful with Earth Farts.  If a big one gets out the dinosaurs could come back:
http://www.ibtimes.com/did-giant-earth-fart-give-rise-dinosaurs-300629

If the dinosaurs come back because some gas company lets out a big Earth Fart, humans are in trouble because they'll eat everything in sight - including humans -  and there's not a hell of a lot we can do about it.
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« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2013, 07:30:53 PM »
 :)

i,m going to need a good lawyer for that Xeon .....seemingly theres a real "sanity clause" after all....here ..yes ,you can indeed own your land , but not necessarily the deposits underneath , ......other people own them  >:(

one frack licence applicant offered to build a new community centre ( or basically something similar ) in the local central main town ....that did,nt really develop legs though .....

there going to have to offer a bit more than a new shrubbery methinks ......  :)

   

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« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2013, 10:37:58 PM »
I found the ethanol post educational.  I would buy higher ethanol content gas for my vehicle if it were available.  My car can't take the e-85, but according to the literature I have found it would run on up to about 40% without trouble.  I tried adding a bit of e-85 to my mostly full tank to get from the 10% to about 25% and had no problems with the way the engine ran.  I would rather pay farmers and distillers here than ship more resources out of the country for fuel. 

I would imagine that most starch or sugar containing agricultural products, or even their waste could be used to produce some ethanol, but for the volume needed to have a major impact on the nations fuel supply, staple crops such as corn are needed.  It is nice that the proteins not digested by the yeast in the process can be used as animal feed, cutting down on waste and increasing the overall efficiency.

I suspect that the plant uses energy supplied by natural gas for the energy required for the separation of the ethanol produced from the water because it is likely the least expensive reliable source.  It would be nice to see wind or solar be used for that energy input, which would further enhance its renewable credentials, but that would require an inexpensive utility scale storage system which as of yet does not exist in order to approach the reliability and current pricing of natural gas.   

At any rate thanks for the tour.  Rich
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« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2013, 02:13:53 AM »
 Since earth farts, ownership of minerals, ancient and modern agri-production methods, strip & pit mining, aquifer contamination, the possible  killing of bees(I’m one of those who have some concerns but I can see where  those issues are being addressed or have been addressed),  Modified foods, maybe even world domination have been discussed in this thread all because one person who  actually is in the know cared enough to share  a few pictures of grain being delivered to an Ethanol production plant.
The reason he is in the know is because his livelihood depends up[on keeping up with current and future methods as well as regulatory restrictions .
 I believe that even fracking might have popped up once if not I don’t mean to call too much attention to the subject > before everyone starts jumping up an down spouting all of the BAAAD things about fracking  I want to say this Fracking is done all over the world  and I think since its inception over 2.5 million wells have been fractured  one of the first wells fractured was in Kansas,  in the Hugoton gas field in Grant County, Kansas by Stanolind Oil in 1949. One thousand gallons of napalm-thickened gasoline was injected, followed by a gel breaker, to frack limestone at 2,400 ft. My first experience with fracking was when I was a teenager working at the blacksmith, welding & machine shop we built a few frack tank trailers But I had no idea what or how they were used, until one day the owner’s son took me with him to do some welding on a drill rig we had to weld on a nipple to the Christmas tree so the pump and the frack trailer could be hooked up. Much has changed since then as new methods have been discovered.
 It was mentioned about the irresponsibility’s of big oil and how big oil is destroying the global environment. That may be true in a sense
 But everyone on this planet would be hard pressed to carry on in our daily lives without petroleum based products or fossil fuel based products.
 When crude oil first started to be used Gasoline was a by-product.
 Thanks to men like Karl Benz, Ramson E. Olds, Hennery Ford and others gasoline became a major part of an industry.
 Currently there is about 23 million odd acres now used in corn production, producing as much corn as it would have taken half a billion acres just a few decades ago.
 As more uses for ethanol are incorporated and gradually reduce the amount of crude required to produce the over 6000 products manufactured from it.
Maybe we should be thankful there are researchers like Monsanto Bayer and others because as I see it the production of food stuffs is actually only a small part or the benefits of their research.
The life a phobic folks of the planet need to look at all sides of an equation, before chaining themselves to the entrance of a research facility if they cannot come to grips with life as a whole then they have the right to just stop breathing
  Maybe we do need to try and bring back a few dinosaurs maybe they could be trained to eat only the Pollies and the city dwellers   
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« Reply #128 on: March 07, 2013, 05:17:41 AM »
HI Rich!!
How's the snow over there!  ;)
Coming from some experience, and depending on the age of your vehicle. You can run it up to 45% without any mods at all.
The one thing some people have done was to install hotter spark plugs, this is the wrong direction. Stay with the standard plugs or go one plug colder. May seems backwards, but it's the flame front that needs the cooler plugs. I trained Robin's 93 Lumina APV V6 oxygen sensors to work in the summer with up to 65% Alky before the check engine light comes on.
Though it did take several fuel filters and 4 tanks of fuel to clean the junk out of the tank.
 During winter we back back down to 15%, so there's less of a cold start problem.
 There's a plug-n-play adapter that costs a few pretty pennies; that will allow it to run 100% if I wish to go that route, but with 246+K miles on it. It's almost time to say goodbye to it.
AND my 2010 Cobalt doesn't like anything higher than 50% without popping that little light.


Frank S;
Get one of those oversized chickens roaming my city life; and we'll have one heck of a roaster out on the spit ! ;). just think ! come Thanksgiving how many could actually get the leg meat that ask for it, instead of fighting for it  8)

niall2;
It's unfortunate but mostly true, when you purchase land or even a home, you need to ASK about mineral rights otherwise you don't automatically have them. That needs to be added into the purchase agreement.

I as a GM am encouraged by the fact this thread, except for a few, has actually stayed "civil" .
One of the long time posters had a sig that is well well put. "A gentleman is someone who can disagree without being disagreeable" or something like.  :).

For those wishing to learn more about the deeper science of this whole ethanol and giving back to the soil part.
Google David Blume and checkout the deeper science, real world tests  he's done.
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« Reply #129 on: March 07, 2013, 06:38:57 AM »
Evidently, renewable fuels like ethanol are a controversial subject.  I didn't realize how controversial it is until people started harping about GMO's and FrankenCorn and whatnot.  I would have to check the current numbers but I think the US is the largest producer of ethanol on earth and Brazil is #2.
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« Reply #130 on: March 07, 2013, 06:54:44 AM »
if you go by percapita Brazil is the biggest as allot of their vehicals are 100% if I recall corectly, but again would have to look my self has been a while, or perhaps I am thinking CNG?
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« Reply #131 on: March 07, 2013, 10:00:55 AM »
The United States became the world's largest producer of ethanol fuel in 2005.  The U.S. produced 13.9 billion U.S. liquid gallons (52.6 billion liters) of ethanol fuel in 2011, an increase from 13.2 billion U.S. liquid gallons (49.2 billion liters) in 2010, and up from 1.63 billion gallons in 2000.  Brazil and U.S. production accounted for 87.1% of global production in 2011.  In the U.S, ethanol fuel is mainly used as an oxygenate in gasoline in the form of low-level blends up to 10 percent, and to an increasing extent, as E85 fuel for flex-fuel vehicles.

The ethanol market share in the U.S. gasoline supply grew by volume from just over 1 percent in 2000 to more than 3 percent in 2006 to 10 percent in 2011.  Domestic production capacity increased fifteen times after 1990, from 900 million US gallons to 1.63 billion US gal in 2000, to 13.5 billion US gallons in 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_the_United_States

The United States became the world’s leading exporter of ethanol in 2011, selling a record level of the biofuel into overseas markets, according to the Renewable Fuels Association
http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/01/18/u-s-became-worlds-top-ethanol-exporter-in-2011/

In other words, ethanol has become Big Business in the US.
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« Reply #132 on: March 07, 2013, 10:16:56 AM »
  Maybe we do need to try and bring back a few dinosaurs maybe they could be trained to eat only the Pollies and the city dwellers

Dinosaurs cannot be trained.  They eat everything.  Shooting at them only pi$$es them off.  Didn't you ever watch Jurassic Park?  The dinosaur thing didn't go so good.  Dinosaurs win because they're big and they only got a brain that's the size of a grapefruit and the only thing in that brain is mean.

There's a reason dinosaurs ruled this planet for longer than man has even been on it so far.  Man might think he's got superior intelligence, but that don't hold a candle to big, mean and impervious to bullets.
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« Reply #133 on: March 07, 2013, 11:49:59 AM »
The Coal To Liquid movement in the US didn't seem to get very far yet but ethanol is becoming
a 'back door man' technology doing just that. Corn is it's ho.  :o
Of coarse plenty of USA Natural Gas has been getting turned into Liquid for vehicles as well.

There are a lot of stories on the Internet about the positive economic impact of King Clean Coal
technology muscling in on this ethanol deal.

Remember that Coal and Oil Shale is what the US really Rules worldwide.

Actually we are able to take them ALL on all at the Same Time as far as Reserves go.
I loves it.

This angle is also coming on.

Power Pairings

http://www.ethanolproducer.com/articles/3089/power-pairings/

With all that said we still have a mighty long way to go.
No need to poo poo the power of microbiology and risk a nightmare of epic proportions
because we were pushy - but stupid.

If Poet can do half of ALL Ethanol without messing with antibiotics let's just make it 100%
for that extra penny or two. We will make it up as we start to put a good  stomping on them.

We need to keep pushing the real Kings as well as Ethanol.

In all the excitement it's easy to forget the hard reality.

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US trade gap widens to $44.4B as oil imports rise

MARTIN CRUTSINGER , The Associated Press
 
Posted: Thursday, March 7, 2013, 12:24 PM


WASHINGTON - The U.S. trade deficit widened in January, reflecting a big jump in oil imports and a drop in exports.
 
The Commerce Department said Thursday that the deficit rose to $44.4 billion, an increase of 16.5 percent from December. U.S. exports dropped 1.2 percent to $184.5 billion, reflecting declines in sales to Europe, China, Japan and Brazil. Imports rose 1.8 percent to $228.9 billion
as oil imports surged 12.3 percent.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20130307_ap_ustradegapwidensto444basoilimportsrise.html?c=r

Bill Blake
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 11:58:51 AM by BillBlake »

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Re: Ethanol Plant
« Reply #134 on: March 07, 2013, 12:56:36 PM »
I remember seeing this in the news a few years ago for coal to gas, then it died when the company landed in court http://www.bixbyenergy.com/technology/what-is-the-bixby-process