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magnet piston engine
« on: August 10, 2014, 10:10:58 AM »
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Hi, I started work on a magnet piston engine. The idea is from other projects posted on youtube. I am using a stock F&P to charge  a large cap that will trigger the Mag piston once per revolution. The challenge will be to keep the input power from a external power source as small as possible. This may require the help from a voltage multiplier circuit. I should be testing soon. 
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 06:54:39 PM »
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Hi, basic video showing manual operation. I can configure it for one or two MAG-pistons. I discovered that the F&P was rewired for 12 volt charging. It still will charge the cap to about about 80 volts per revolution. I ordered a new stock stator and rotor. I am thinking a higher voltage pulse will produce more torque.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 09:00:10 PM »
I bet I know where this is heading.

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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 10:21:54 PM »



Hi, basically it is planned as test platform for a gravity assisted flywheel. If it does not work than I can easily add steam cylinders for a large steam engine. Please do not confuse this as a attempt for O/U, I know that it is not possible. But I am really interested to find out if the combination of the feed back from the magnet piston with the flywheel configuration will be beneficial.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2014, 08:15:54 AM »
Hi, I just wanted to add that when I was designing my MPPT circuit I noticed that by reducing the bandwidth I could limit the load placed on the wind turbine, so I planned to use the same circuit here to produce electricity and prevent stalling. That is the goal of this project.

New radial flux PMA arrived, currently fabricating mounting hardware. The stator will be stocking wiring for higher voltage charging of the cap.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2014, 07:12:10 PM »











Hi, some quick photos showing progress. The MAGpiston is difficult to align. I need to find a better design. Hope to test in a few days.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2014, 08:29:15 PM »
seems like a lot of rigging just to help spin it around ?  why not just hook straight to the wheel...something like this...
points would open at  top dead center and the cap would fire--energizing the coil--pushing the wheel around..
wind the coil with many turns of fine wire--and around and around she goes ??????????????????
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2014, 06:19:50 AM »
Hi, the beam is off set for mechanical advantage. I am thinking this may not be the best apporch. Thanks for the input. If it does not work out, I will give it a try. Thanks again, cheers.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 03:07:52 PM »
Hi, I completed testing and the results are poor. :'( It is a good building block for a steam engine. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUQihKt3Ta4

I found this project and it looks like a good candidate for a pendulum drive, no need for a over run clutch. A MAG piston can drive a double bob pendulum; similar to a pommel horse gymnast. I will post update when available. Cheers.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2014, 02:29:21 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZCrcyeGhRw&feature=youtu.be

Completed flywheel configuration. Starting frame for device.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2014, 12:51:20 PM »
Hi, increased the mass on the support arms. Acts more like a flywheel. At higher RPM's there is some scary large forces at work. Is it correct to say the more mass on the support arm it will store more power that is generated from the plant gears?

Relationships I have noticed:

1.greater mass on the support arms the smoother it operates

2.counter torque most be applied to the crank as the planet gear mass moves toward the center and released as the mass moves
   away from the center, if timing of the counter torque is off it start to stall

3. will not operate if the support arms RPM is slow

 For this device to be useful, it is going to need a controller board. Two inputs, one to read RPM's of the support arms and one to detect the position of the planet gear weight as it starts to move toward the center. Two outputs to control the electromagnets that will drive a pendulum that will be connected to the crank arm. There maybe a purely mechanical solution, but I can not think of it.... Controller board will be a good winter project.



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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2014, 11:01:51 PM »
I'm wondering what your trying to build here. Seams like a lot of work to build a electric motor.

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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2014, 08:29:45 PM »


Hi, magnet piston project is on hold and will become a steam engine. Starting flywheel pendulum drive. Electro magnets will drive a pendulum that will be mounted at the front to a over run clutch, that will drive the quasar gravity drive, then another over run clutch, that will drive a larger flywheel, that will drive a PMA.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN4mBojjI_Q

so basically I am adding the new Quasar Gravity Drive to the above video configuration. I hope to have more to show in a few days.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 01:28:49 PM »
GoVertical;
Ya know as a GM I gotta say this:
Be careful of the verbiage  !
A Quasar Gravity Drive as been linked more than once to "Free Energy" stuff on more than one U-tube site.
The Pendulum drive has as well.
These are mechanical devices and people less-informed quickly forget to factor in the energy expended getting those devices started.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2014, 07:39:02 PM »

installed 2 overrun clutches, I still have to fabricate standard flywheel and the double bob pendulum

Hi, thanks for the info. The pendulums will be oscillated using 4 electromagnets powered from a 12 volt supply. This is not a overunity project. It will always require power at the input to make it operate. The electromagnets will only be on when triggered be the contact switches. Decreasing the duty cycle on the MPPT circuit will prevent system stall. I was just having some fun with the name. I am not a physicist but I learned enough to know that overunity is not possible. Without the 2 overrun clutches and the MPPT circuit this will not work. Thanks again for the heads up.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2014, 08:51:43 PM »
correction: triggered by the contact switches. ::)
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2014, 09:07:20 AM »
I knew you would understand, but you also know the big fat problems we had with OU people just a short time ago.
Nice looking gears! You using 3D printing? or cutting?
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2014, 09:59:37 AM »
Hi, I have a small CNC router and I am using GEARGENERATOR3 to create the gear pattern.

I am thinking it will function the same as a wind mill. I am just replacing wind with gravity, mechanical advantage, and electromagnetism as the input power source. The power generated will follow Betz's limit.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2014, 05:47:02 PM »


Mounted QGD. I had to enlarge the frame.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2014, 06:02:35 PM »
You can not replace wind with gravity! Its like replacing wind energy with a spring, or a magnet. This is OU talk. And a gravity motor is a weight on a string, it can only run once, and then must use energy from a outside source to wind it back up. More energy is needed to "reset" the gravity motor than you extracted from it, full stop. You MUST put more energy in than you expect to get out, no matter how complicated the device. If you are expecting to do any more than make a piece of kinetic art, then move on and use you exceptional construction skills to make something that will work, like that steam engine.

Hi, I have a small CNC router and I am using GEARGENERATOR3 to create the gear pattern.

I am thinking it will function the same as a wind mill. I am just replacing wind with gravity, mechanical advantage, and electromagnetism as the input power source. The power generated will follow Betz's limit.

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2014, 06:20:23 PM »
Unless I've misunderstood, I agree entirely.

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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2014, 06:51:29 PM »
Hi, yes, I am combining gravity, mechanical advantage, and ELECTROMAGNETISM. I have already stated that this is not a OU project. It is a gravity assisted project. I will not generate more power than what is powering the device. The MPPT circuit allows you to limit the current draw from the PMA. So if the total input power is 100 watts then the load can be 40 watts. A wind mill operates the same way, you can not harvest 100 % of the wind power.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W59ROq45d_s

project update. I have identified the problem areas and I am modifying the flywheel. 
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2014, 07:50:00 PM »


Hi, I have already fabricated the electromagnets.
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2014, 10:30:31 AM »
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Hi, I am just replacing the humans with electromagnets and a rigid double bob pendulum.
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2014, 06:34:25 AM »


improved bearing housing mounting plates. The wooden mounts were moving and the system was losing a lot of power.
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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2014, 11:56:38 AM »
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2014, 01:50:28 PM »
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Hi, I am just replacing the humans with electromagnets and a rigid double bob pendulum.

This is definitely OU. the humans are adding energy by pumping their legs. Betz law only applies to wind, it is the maximum amount of energy you can extract by slowing down air before it simply goes around instead of through your blades. This thread should be closed.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2014, 02:33:35 PM »
Hi, the electromagnets will constantly add energy to the system. Your analysis is not correct.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2014, 04:43:29 PM »
Hi, the electromagnets will constantly add energy to the system. Your analysis is not correct.

then what is the point?

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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2014, 06:48:36 PM »
Hi, the heavier the weight the more torque, the RPM will remain constant. The electromagnets will be placed at larger radius from the center to maximize the mechanical advantage of a lever. The MPPT circuit will limit the load current. So there will a surplus of torque that will prevent system stall. All motors operate at a loss.
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Re: magnet piston engine
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2014, 07:04:54 PM »
An electromagnet driven pendulum would make a good driver for a swingset. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with harvesting energy from children at play. Making electricity from a falling weight produces only enough to light a room with an LED for a few hours. The gravity light http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX32yQgybaw

A swingset that makes electricity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c1W6MkAjUU

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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2014, 01:33:53 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2014, 05:35:00 PM »
Gravity lights would be an okay emergency light. You would be amazed at how little light you need to see to do things if you let your eyes adapt. Only thing that might be tough is reading