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Rabrsniver

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Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« on: November 28, 2007, 06:18:29 AM »
I have a set of Nickel Iron cells that are used in my off-grid home.

I previously had L16 Trojan (leadacid) batteries, and frequently checked the specific gravity to see how they were doing.

I have searched the web on how to do it with NiFes but haven't found any info.

Is it a big secret, or is this measurement just not done with NiFes? If it can be done, what readings should they show?

If not,then what is the best way to "keep an eye" on them?

John


Bumped to the FP. See if we can get you some answers.

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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 12:54:58 AM »
Specific gravity of NiFe cells is not affected by state of charge.

The only useful thing it might tell you is the Co2 absorbed in the electrolyte and the time to change it, but even that may not be accurate.


The sg is lower than lead batteries so don't try a lead battery hydrometer ( apart from the contamination). I have forgotten the actual figure but unless you are changing electrolyte you don't need it.


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Rabrsniver

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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 03:30:12 PM »
Thanks for the info Flux. I wish there was more info available about NiFes.

When I can find some I am very grateful.

John
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spinningmagnets

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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 03:59:56 PM »
Dear Rabrsniver, I couldn't find your e-mail address in your personal info, so drop me a line at velmis1450bc (at) aol (dot) com [correct anti-spam first!]


I have no experience with NiFe's, but I've collected 8 pages about them.


BTW, Pre-1982 Canadian nickels are 99% real Nickel, Eh. And nickel brazing rod is high in Nickel too, but of course the more expensive type of rod is the purest.


"My doctor gave me six months to live, but when I couldn't pay the bill he gave me six more months." -Walter Matthau.

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KEG

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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 08:53:31 PM »
John:

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I also have some nicad's almost the same as nife, here is some info it took me some time to get it, hope it helps.

http://www.beutilityfree.com/nife.html

http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5668/S4.5.pdf

http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5668/tm_s34_en_0506.pdf

http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/5668/DLP_DLS_Brochure.pdf

I'm sure I'll get in trouble for this one for sure :-)

Kevin
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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 04:17:24 PM »
Do you mind revealing where did you found these NiFe batteries.  I've only found one source ("beutilityfree.com") at what seems to be a very high price.


-Lee

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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 01:02:57 AM »
Flooded 12v 143ah NiCd batteries were over $850 a piece new back in 1999.

All flooded nickel chemistry batteries are a bit expensive compared to lead acid.


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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 12:31:55 PM »
What in the world is "flux coated"?


I've been thinking of experimenting with some small amounts of KOH, nickel from a light pull chain (like this one), and steel wool, just to see what happens.  


Has anyone got any numbers that might come in handy - like the percent solution that works best for the electrolyte - I've heard 10%.


And does an equal ratio of iron to nickel sound about right?


Thanks,

--SatyrTN

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spinningmagnets

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Re: Specific Gravity and NiFe batteries
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 01:44:10 PM »
I'll pass along what I "think" I know. A magnets flux and Nickel-brazing rod flux are two very different things.


The oxygen in air reacts with just about everything it touches to some degree. Copper oxide is green, aluminum oxide is grey, iron-red, etc. The hotter something is (during welding/brazing) the more of a reaction you'll get, and the oxidized bits are weaker.


The dry coating around a stick-welding rod is a flux powder. During the welding process, it forms a no-oxygen cloud around the melting metal. My continuous wire-feed welder has flux in the core, with the welding rod being a hollow tube shape thats wound up on a spool. When you're copper pipe brazing, the goop you spread on the joint before applying the torch chemically eats away the brownish start of oxidation to reveal shiny copper, and when you apply the torch it bubbles into a no-oxygen gas just enough to make a strong joint.


If I've screwed up any part of this, please jump in.


PS I seem to remember reading Edison used nickel-electroplated steel plates, so you wouldn't need a huge amount of nickel. I know it must be more complex than just Nickel, Iron, KOH, and water, but even adding a few problems it may be doable...

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