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Shadow

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How high voltage?
« on: February 12, 2005, 09:28:24 PM »
  Wind is in 15 mile an hour range, showing up to 130 volts DC.. Is this normal?..With no load, What can I use for a load? How many volts can a 12 volt battery take?
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Re: How high voltage?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2005, 04:16:36 PM »
Shadow:


Please detail your system.


What type of generator do you have, specially the current carrying capability of it?.


It seems that the gen is not homemade but a standard motor as a generator.


You may need to convert the high voltage to the lower desired voltage if the current capability of the gen is low.


If the generator is producing a voltage much, muchu mas higher than the battery and you connect it to the battery you may overlaod the mill o as well brake it and as well may damage the battery.


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Re: How high voltage?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2005, 04:58:37 PM »
Its a dual rotor, 10 blades.9 coils 140 turns of 17 wire, wired for 48 volts. With no load it just keeps on climbing up to 130 plus volts. Just wondering what test load I could put on to slow it down.
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Re: How high voltage?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2005, 01:34:09 AM »
If its intended for 48v the correct load is a 48v battery.


You can test it into a 12v battery but it will not perform very well. You will have to put a load on the battery if its voltage goes over 14v which will happen as soon as it is fully charged.


Its not a good idea to let it spin in the wind with no load you must be close to your rectifier rating in a modest wind.

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Re: How high voltage?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2005, 11:19:03 AM »
Hey Flux


How far above the battery voltage rating do you want to exceed for battery charging?

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2005, 12:05:12 PM »
Anything above 14v is enough to charge a 12v battery, but the current you get depends on the circuit resistance. The current will be the voltage difference between source and battery divided by the circuit resistance.


Is that what you meant or are you referring to the fact that I said it would perform badly connected to a 12v battery. If so it is because a 48v generator would be running so slowly that the blades would never be out of stall and the power into the alternator would be low.


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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2005, 12:15:30 PM »
Anything above 14v is enough to charge a 12v battery, but the current you get depends on the circuit resistance. The current will be the voltage difference between source and battery divided by the circuit resistance.


How far above 14v would you want to the generator to produce for charging a 12v system?


Is that what you meant or are you referring to the fact that I said it would perform badly connected to a 12v battery. If so it is because a 48v generator would be running so slowly that the blades would never be out of stall and the power into the alternator would be low.


Would the 48 volt gen connected to the 12v battery run slow (or stall) because of the large amount of current sourced by the generator to the battery?


Thanks,

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Re: How high voltage?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2005, 01:18:49 PM »
The answer to the first bit is that it depends on the resistance of the circuit but as a rough guide if you have a generator that tracks the wind, if cut in is at 8mph the generator will be trying to produce 24v at 16 mph and  36v at 24 mph, but you will not see these volts, they are the internal emf of the alternator, the battery will stay at nominal 12v. On open circuit you would see a higher voltage than this because the blades will now run up to a speed limited by their losses .


The 48 v mill running at 12v will try to produce an excessive current because the internal voltage or emf is too high for the circuit resistance that it is working into, the generator will load the prop at a lower speed to try to produce this excessive current and the net result is that you produce less because there is not enough mechanical power from the prop to drive it.


If you fit a slower and more powerful prop you will get the higher currents but at the risk of burning the windings. A 48v alternator will only have 1/4 the current capacity of a 12v one of the same rating.


Hope this makes sense.


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