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can i make blades out of 2x4s
« on: February 17, 2006, 06:01:09 AM »
helo

I have read this board for a week or so .

can i make a set of blades out of cheap ol 2x4s? just for practice before i try a larger blade


 i've been thinking of using a Ametek motor for my first genny .

how big does the blade need to be for the Ametek ? i don't know if i should use a 30 or 40 or a 50.


I think I will want to use a 12 volt battery set up.


I have used a 403 for a year or so . I have had an amp meter in-line on the 403 with poor results.


 I dont have much luck with the search function on this board:{


thanks for posting all those pictures on this board


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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 11:24:05 PM »
heres a 2by4 blade and a 2by6 blade in progress...[made those a while back]

the little 2by4 blade was good for about 60watts or more on my old maytag alt..

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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2006, 12:04:48 AM »
what length should the 2x4 be ?


where can i find some howtos on carving blades ?


it seems verry confusing to me .

im sure that it will become clear soon though.


thanks .

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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2006, 01:00:15 AM »
I built one using an Ametek 30.

Check my web page, you'll find there the link to the excel spreadsheet for blades.

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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2006, 05:16:05 AM »
"what length should the 2x4 be" ....as long as you want 3-4 foot or so


"where can i find some howtos on carving blades" scoraig wind   in goolge will find hugh's site very good stuff on blade carving.step by step.


My first attempt at balde carving was with a forklift pallet. Ripped off 3 radiata pine 4 x 1's and built a basic blade simple taper simple twist simple result.


Dont be deterred by how "exacting a science" it can be made to look. The wind is very very forgiving, and provided it looks vaugley like a blade with some kind of profile, it will spin in the wind. .. even three boards un carved and bolted to a hub with an offset to the plane of rotation will turn. You can make it as complicated or as simple as you wish, the main thing is to get some carving under your belt and see some reward for it.


The worse the first practice blades are, the more room for improvement there will be for the next set. after the first set, you will have learned enough to have a "real go" at the second lot.....and then the third....and just an improvement here, a little bit different there, a higher tsr this time......and suddenly, it's fun, and not hard at all.


do not panic that your wood is too thin (if you use 4 x 1). The figues will require the  uses of thick timber near the hub end of the blade. Ignore this and use up what thickness you have, as the inner third of the blade may just as well not exist for practice purposes. At least try and get the outer (tip) third as close as you can to the figures .  The performance will hardly notice that the inner third is nowhere near exact.

Remember this is for getting the skills for the bigguns that come later ( with the expensive thicker timber).The first set i carved from 4 x 1  were 4' long each. looked fairly skinny for  any power.... big big wrong...  When I took them out into the wind  ( it was pretty gentle at that stage) I had the hub just with a hole in it with a screwdriver poking out, and me holding it.......big mistake. I hand spun it, walked around the corner into a gust, and it roared into a life of its own...scarred the hell out of me . It ran from a hand spun idle up to (well it seemed like a million miles an hour) well over 500 rpm in a split second., and with a roar I will never forget. So although they dont feel like they have any purchase on the wind like you may expect, once they get running and develop the lift, they take on a life of their own... like a runnaway train...so be warned.


there's nothing quite like watching youe own blades turning, especially when you made em out of an old pallet, or something else just as useless.


...........oztules

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 06:53:00 AM »
     http://70.31.91.32/wind/images/tn_DSC03953.jpg

more to follow that didn't seem to work out in

this reply

I see that you used the old equals button idea like I did to count rpm's.....

http://www2.suite224.net/~peppysue/

and I was wondering if you also calibrated it

similar to the way I described on my website.

like your website and noticed that your projects

are simple to follow and not overwhelming as more

advanced ones would tend to be for beginners.

....which is what I also strive for.

               Hope you're having as much

          fun with wind as I.

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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2006, 07:17:32 AM »
I've been considering using some nice straight,  knot free, kiln dried fir, 2x4's and laminate up a stack with epoxy.  I've also been eye balling cedar siding for laminating.  That stuff has really nice grain on it, but you're going to pay more.
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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2006, 09:51:55 AM »
how much power did you get out of that 30 motor?


good job on the web site

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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2006, 10:35:55 AM »
Speaker wire,

    Just about anything will work for blades, but for easier carving, try clear wood as knots and such make it more difficult..

   My biggest suggestion for you however is -- click on Otherpower, at the top of this page, on the left you will see the book, By Hugh Piggott -- spend the $20 bucks, and by it!!   Not only will you find instructions for building blades, from 4' to 12', but detailed info on how to build a gen, that will give worthwile performance !!

   Even if you only want to build modified or small stuff -- the info, contained in those pages, is well worth the price !!

   Welcome to the fun, Bill H.....
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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2006, 12:08:48 PM »
those Ametek tape drive motors work well with a 4' prop make each blade 2' long
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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2006, 01:27:40 PM »
regarding the Amteks...  here's a website regarding which models make better gens than others... http://www.tlgwindpower.com/ametek.htm


Having said this, though, I've acquired a bunch of them in various voltages and will be trying out each of them myself...

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2006, 11:16:07 PM »
Norm,


I didn't calibrate it having the calculator attached.


I removed he calculator and hooked the wires to a Joystick button. This way, every turn of the cups will simulate a press on the trigger and a simple visual basic program will count the amount of time between 2 consecutive turns. Based on that amount of time i wil calculate the instant wind speed using a calibration constant.


The calibration constant was figured aout by flying my anemometer close to a factory anemometer and recording the difference between them.


Speo

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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2006, 11:28:34 PM »
I am ashamed to admit it, but I don't know. I built it in Europe for my parents cottage and I came back to Canada few days after, without having the chance to make any measurements...but: for few months it was producing enough to maintain a car battery that was used with 2x8watt lamps @ 12V, few hours/week.


When I picked the motor I had the chance to test a bunch of Ameteks (30,40,...) and I choosed the 30V one, bacause it was generating the highest voltage when spun by hand. I tested all of them, trying to turn them by hand as fast as I could, and The Ametek 30 was always generating higher volteges than the others (40,50,60 if I remember corectly).


Speo

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a simple visual basic program
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2006, 11:25:03 AM »
   Last time I looked a simple visual basic

program.....wasn't .  At least for me..LOL

...so you did it your way and I done it my way.

       I guess as long as we're both having fun

    ...Eh?

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Re: can i make blades out of 2x4s
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2006, 12:24:33 PM »
after hours of searching the forums i found a nice howto for blade carving.

 http://www.windstuffnow.com/Blade-layout.pdf


question.

each station should be of equal distance


 whats everyones opinion on the draw knife ?

 i looked at the local stores and could not locate a draw knife


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