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Re: Light Wind Heavy Weight Turbine Project - as I build it.
« Reply #627 on: January 15, 2013, 07:42:44 PM »
posting any numbers is always good Steadfast ..especially the bad ones .... :(

but...is this the "windy" season where you live ?...if the wind just isnt there , theres not much gain ....

looks like the mill hit 11 amps for a period .....thats fine , its ready to work ....just not enough consistent wind ...

i see hurricane wind has now moved into axial alts .....and in their vids they compare the light weight red delco to the new alt with a ..."heres the real beef " ... twist

maybe he,ll come back ..... :).....he might give a test mill

edit...no mention of blade sets to match with those axials that i can see   :(
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« Reply #628 on: January 17, 2013, 05:27:56 PM »
Today we are sporting consistent 15 mph winds with gusts of 25mph
Can't wait to get home and report the numbers. 

Yes I did reset the doc last night. 
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« Reply #629 on: January 17, 2013, 05:58:41 PM »
ap on the doc is amps peak, and it might be for 1/10th of a second, kWh are what powers a home not peak amps.
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« Reply #630 on: January 17, 2013, 07:11:51 PM »
Days Results
18.77 ap
.08 ah
.02 kwh


Live reading just now!
235 watts
23.8 A
Over a 13.04v cut in

Wind gusts at 23 mph
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« Reply #631 on: January 17, 2013, 07:26:40 PM »
Those trees are killing you. Do you have a chainsaw?  8)
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« Reply #632 on: January 17, 2013, 07:32:13 PM »
The trees have nothing to do with it, if he rarely gets winds over 10 mph. There is little power in 5 mph winds.
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« Reply #633 on: January 17, 2013, 07:40:32 PM »
Live Results:

thats 127 watts
 at least thats what i think it says.

But what does it MEAN?
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« Reply #634 on: January 17, 2013, 08:01:37 PM »
yep. At that moment, 14.33v x 8.87a = exactly 127.1 watts. Is the .7ah the total for the day?
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« Reply #635 on: January 17, 2013, 09:16:47 PM »
I just came in from the shed.
I had forgotten to reset the Doc
The display was alarming and cool

We had some 30+ MPH gusts.
2.9 ah
.04 kwh
25.54 ap
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« Reply #636 on: January 18, 2013, 12:16:20 PM »
So the turbine has hit over 350 watts.  But you're not getting any energy production because the turbine is in a sheltered location on a short tower with turbulent wind thru the rotor.  And unfortunately, that's one of the criteria for installing a wind turbine - to get the full potential from it it should be at least 30 feet above the highest obstacle within a 1/4 mile of it.

Also, taking wind readings from a nearby airport means nothing because airports are out in the open with the anemometer on a 10 meter pole.  That is not representative of the wind you're getting thru your turbine rotor in a sheltered location in the trees.  Although the local airport readings can be used as an indication of your local wind resource, you'd need to have your turbine located at the airport to actually use that wind unless you can get it up out of the trees where it is now.

So basically, you have seen the potential of the turbine when an occasional gust hits it.  You have also seen how important it is to have a wind turbine in clean laminar air.  If it was on a 90 foot tower it would more than likely be producing 250 watts continuous all day, with spikes over 400 on some of those windy days instead of just a burst now and then when some wind can get to it.

In conclusion on this thread, it was an educational experience not only for you (and admirable perseverance in not giving up after several failures, including a tower crash), but also provides great information for others who consider putting small turbines on short pipe towers in sheltered locations, that they just don't work.  Sure, you can get some power from it, but nowhere near the full potential of the machine.

One of the key words with wind turbines is "wind".  It takes wind to make one work.  There is no power in light winds.  Period.  And this is why "low wind" turbines are a farce.  Even big turbines do nothing but trickle charge a battery bank in light winds under 10 mph.  My 3.5 meter (11.5 foot) diameter machines only produce 150 watts @ 10 mph.  At 20 mph they are producing 1,080 watts.  At 25 they are producing 2.0 kW.  At 30 mph they are producing 3.1 kW running partially furled.  Take those numbers and graph them on some graph paper and look at the curve you end up with.  That will show you how important wind is in making a wind turbine work.

Thanks for a great and educational thread for all of us!  You stuck with it and didn't give up when many others would have.  Now all you need is a real tower to show all the other newbies what makes a wind turbine really work.  We'll all be looking forward to the tower thread when you put up your new 90 footer    8)
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« Reply #637 on: January 18, 2013, 12:28:04 PM »
If live to build one of those but alas I am bound to a 40ft ceiling in my county.
I sucks but that's the way it is. 

If I was not bound by this ordinance I most certainly would have my bird up there. 
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« Reply #638 on: January 18, 2013, 03:58:38 PM »
My turbine is on a 40' pole and it acts exactly like yours.  40' doesn't even get over my small trees.


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« Reply #639 on: January 18, 2013, 04:25:09 PM »
If live to build one of those but alas I am bound to a 40ft ceiling in my county.
I sucks but that's the way it is. 

If I was not bound by this ordinance I most certainly would have my bird up there.


Now that everybody is used to it add 20 ft nobody will notice, if they do, take it off.
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« Reply #640 on: January 23, 2013, 01:38:09 AM »
LOL, Let alone Care! At least most won't.. Possibly!  ;)

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« Reply #641 on: January 23, 2013, 04:03:45 AM »
well what the ....its your land..if you dont mind a few trees topped  off....?
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« Reply #642 on: January 23, 2013, 06:35:10 PM »
Apply for a variance to put in a 60 foot tower.

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« Reply #643 on: January 23, 2013, 07:00:10 PM »
DO NOT apply for anything, that was my problem, stay under the radar at all times. Like I said, put it up, if the jackasses say anything take it down, simple.
Government, especially local government is solely and simply in place to F you over, most board and commission members are uneducated morons when it comes to RE, and they have no intention of getting educated.
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« Reply #644 on: January 23, 2013, 07:04:59 PM »
 I hate the thought of going to the government.
Apply for a variance to put in a 60 foot tower.
But before doing so it would be better to learn how receptive the council may be to things like that . without calling attention to yourself.
 Another way would be to build a telescopic pole. This wouldn't be easy to make a completely hidden scoping system with a perfect positive height lock. also hidden. But doable.
 That way could raise it a little at a time every month or so and probably no one would ever notice.
  OR make a scoping pole and lay it down every couple of months to extend it a few feet.
 The more people see things the less they notice. Trees are going to get taller each year       
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« Reply #645 on: January 24, 2013, 03:47:21 PM »
These days not going to the government first can have them come in and say take it down permanently if he goes past 40 feet.

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« Reply #646 on: January 25, 2013, 03:52:19 PM »
Bravo to you guys!
Bravo!

The county inspector came by my home today to inspect my turbine!
He PASSED IT!

He said
"Sir I want to shake your hand for building the best turbine
I have ever seen. your work is meticulous and without flaw.
You are what we alwas hope to see but never do.

Thank you for making my job today so easy and fun!"

I could not have done it with out you guys!
Bravo!  ;D


on another note:
from the numbers I gave you guys.

I need to know from someone (Chris?) what you guys think my bird's maximum output wattage could be...
if I lived in a perfect wind environment with a perfect tower.

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« Reply #647 on: January 25, 2013, 04:31:00 PM »
Hey, good result!

Sometimes those government types are helpful and nice to deal with.  I'm having the pleasure of similarly positive responses from some of my local and national ones round here.  Well, not quite as gushing as your feedback, but good enough for ... ahem ... government work!

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« Reply #648 on: January 25, 2013, 04:42:09 PM »
My bet is he was an older guy, who knew what design was and could tell by merely looking BUT had to do his job anyway  ;D
Now go put it up 20 feet higher  ;).
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« Reply #649 on: January 25, 2013, 04:57:17 PM »
I gotta believe in good winds that would be about a 2000 watt machine IIRC.
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« Reply #650 on: January 31, 2013, 10:55:20 AM »
My wife shot a video of my turbine today
here is a link to the video


<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=4820788968860" width="720" height="1280" frameborder="0"></iframe>
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« Reply #651 on: January 31, 2013, 12:41:09 PM »
Sorry about that
My wife needs to re-lable the video "public". 
Which she assures me shed will do tonight.
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« Reply #652 on: January 31, 2013, 11:06:44 PM »
I need to know from someone (Chris?) what you guys think my bird's maximum output wattage could be...
if I lived in a perfect wind environment with a perfect tower.

It should be around 350-400 watts with maybe a few spikes up to 450 sometimes.  On 12 volt at 400 watts you're pushing close to 30 amps, which IIRC is well over the maximum sustained amp capacity of your wiring.
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« Reply #653 on: February 01, 2013, 06:45:04 AM »


He said
"Sir I want to shake your hand for building the best turbine
I have ever seen. your work is meticulous and without flaw.
You are what we alwas hope to see but never do.

Thank you for making my job today so easy and fun!"



with regard to the previous post - exactly what did the ''Inspector'' inspect ?

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« Reply #654 on: February 01, 2013, 01:46:48 PM »
Yeah.  I'm thankful that the only County Wind Turbine Inspector we got around these parts is me.  The last thing we need is some dude that don't know the difference between a wind turbine and a water tower running around "inspecting" things.  Somebody like that shows up on my place they're likely to be looking at the business end of a side-by-side 12 gauge.
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« Reply #655 on: February 04, 2013, 08:34:15 AM »
Here finally is the watchible version of my wife's video of the turbine.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90Bfb1PuYyE#

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« Reply #657 on: February 04, 2013, 09:50:27 AM »
spinning at a pretty good clip there, just think if instead of a 40 ft tower and 60 ft  trees it were the other way round 40 ft trees and a 60 ft tower . get a Husqvarna 316e then onetime when the wind is bending the trees plug it in and let the turbine have its revenge
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« Reply #658 on: February 07, 2013, 09:11:37 AM »
How right you are.   
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Stupid county regulations!
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« Reply #659 on: February 07, 2013, 05:55:08 PM »
Almost none of us can go by the installers rule of thumb 500/30, five hundred feet away from and thirty feet above any turbulence causing object.
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