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diagrams for cutting pvc props


By zubbly, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 12:01:59 AM MST
a few diagrams

here are a few drawings for making props from pvc pipes. just a few observations from my own experimenting. i think using any pipe less than 3 inch diamater may be a waste of time unless it is going to drive a very small genny. i also suggest that you practice on paper towel tubes to get the idea of doing it instead of wasting pipe.

the first drawing is of a simple one piece prop. i have not given any dimentions other than how to cut. you must decide in your own mind the size of pipe and length. i will however give my suggestions.

begin by drawing a line from one end to the other (blue line) A to B. often there is printing on the pipe that will give you a good guide. next, draw a line at centre around the diamator (C to D). the junction of these two lines will be your exact centre of blade and this is where you may drill your hole for mounting to hub of your choice. E, F, G, and H ( red line ) is what you will end up with after you cut out at the red lines. my perspective with the drawing is not the best, but you may refer to my last posting on pvc blades to see what they look like. the outer round surface of the blade will end up on the opposite side the wind is blowing from, and the inside of the pipe is what will face the wind. i can suggest that the tip width should be approx. 1/4 of the outside diamater of the pipe. if you have a 4 inch pipe, your tip width will be 1 inch. if you equal the tip marks at the end of line A to B, you will have 0 degree at the tip. moving the tip marks to the side of line A to B will give you some degree of angle. i prefer 0 degree.the straight edge of the blade is your trailing edge and should be cut some what to the side of line A to B.
The angled edge of the blade will be your leading edge and should not be cut more than 1/4 the way around the diamater of the pipe from line A to B. JUST A REAL GOOD TIP, to mark the angled edge of blade, use a length of that black metal banding strap they use to hold crates together with. have someone hold one end on the mark and the strap will follow the contour around the pipe to the other end of the mark. a metal measuring tape works good too turned upside down. i prefer a small fine tooth hand held saw to do the cutting. scraping the cuts after with a sharp blade will give you a good finish. this style of blade seems to give decent starting torque and runs very fast. SORRY FOR ALL THE LINES TO READ BUT THIS IS THE MAIN CONTENT OF THE INSTRUCTIONS AND AM TRYING TO COVER ALL POINTS. GO TO NEXT PICTURE.

here is what i call a high torque blade. it does not run as fast as the previous blade but seems to provide tremendous torque. a good choice for an alternator with many poles. again, this drawing is not the best, so refer to last posting to see what it looks like. the widest part of the blade has been moved from the middle to the position between middle and end of blade.

here is a method of cutting multiple blades from a shorter piece of pipe. just lay out the pattern and cut. DO NOT TAKE ONE CUT OUT BLADE AND USE IT TO TRACE OUT OTHER BLADES. this will result in blades becoming narrower. mark each blade seperately. these blades can then be mounted in any number that you need and to what ever hub style you may design.

i screwed up on showing the last blade design with a hub point. you will have to look at the next posting after this one if i can get it posted. it is an interesting one in that by laying the two seperate blades on the other, you can slide sideways either blade for fine adjustments for balancing. i think a lawnmower blade hub would be a good one for this assembly. hope it comes out on the next posting.

hope you can use these to your benefit and projects--zubbly

diagrams for cutting pvc props | 14 comments (14 topical)

Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#1)
by RobD on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 04:30:18 AM MST

Thanks Zubby,
Good info, I'll give it a try.
RobD



Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#2)
by Norm on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 07:09:29 AM MST

  Thanks Zubbly. You've done just what I hoped
you would get around to doing one of these days.
Even more detailed than I had expected. One little
thought about finishing the edge of the blade
...old time wood craftsmen (before 2HP routers)
used to use a tool to scrape the edge of
their wood to fashion their own mouldings,
anyhow by grind a curve in the edge of
a section of saw blade about like this
(
, you can scrape a very professional rounded
edge on the plastic blades. Ummm!
Can hardly wait to get started on this next
project. Thanks again for taking the time to share
with us.
Norm.
( :>) Norm


Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#3)
by iFred on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 09:02:11 AM MST


Zubbly - Awsome Job!!! We needed an alternative method of making props.. The other message with the pic's you posted and your results where outstanding.. Keep up the good work!
ifred

>> all energy used to produce this comment or post came from solar and wind energy! It works!


Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#5)
by hvirtane on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 11:18:30 AM MST

Hello,

I agree.
A very good job.
I hope some others will try making these as well.
So that we will have more experience to see if
these can perform as well as profile blades
carved of wood.

- Hannu


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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#4)
by wooferhound on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 11:08:58 AM MST

How come you are putting the leading edge cut, forward of the A-B line? It seems to me that this reverse angle would give a slower RPM. I havent yet tried a Pipe Prop but I think that your leading edge should be cut along the same line for both ends of the prop.

Also a quick note on photos. I am using a Dial Up connection and it takes a very long time to get the pictures you have uploaded in BMP format. File sizes are much smaller for drawings in GIF format, and smaller for pictures in JPG or JPEG format . . .
 
. >=- W o o f -=<



Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#6)
by hvirtane on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 11:32:43 AM MST

I completely agree
with the problem
of loading and the sizes of the pictures.

It is too painful to lad them.
I gave up.

I think that any graphics program can save
the pictures in .jpg format.

- Hannu

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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#8)
by zubbly on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 05:28:19 PM MST

hello Hannu. if you can't put up with the pain, get a faster computer. until i sharpen my skills at posting, take aspirin.

have fun---zubbly

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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#10)
by hvirtane on Sun Oct 26, 2003 at 10:28:03 AM MST

Hi,

it is not with the computer speed, but
with the Net speed. I'm using a wireless Net
connection (the very latest technology in the field). And that is quite slow. Happily I don't need to pay for the amount of the data loaded, but some others have to pay separately for each byte they load.

- Hannu

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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#7)
by zubbly on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 05:22:38 PM MST

hey woof. good to here from ya. just to clarify, the leading edge are the angle lines E&H. the horizontal lines G&F are the trailing edge. the reason G&F are cut on either side of A to B is to allow pipe material to remain to hold the two sides of the blade together. as far a posting the pictures, i am not the greatest at this and you will have to put up with it until i improve these skills. i also have a land line and it does load quite fast. ???

cut a blade and try out. read first paragraph very carefully.

zubbly

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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#9)
by wooferhound on Sat Oct 25, 2003 at 10:34:16 PM MST

Here is what I was thinking about when I mentioned the leading edge being on the same line so the curve of the pipe isn't slightly reversed from optimum on the front edge. Notice that it's based on a circle in the center.

If I was'nt working so much these last few weeks, I would have a buncha cut up paper towel tube layin' around or flying in the wind . . .

. >=- W o o f -=<
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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#11)
by zubbly on Sun Oct 26, 2003 at 03:31:34 PM MST

hi Woof.  you should be designing these blades. your idea with the circle in the middle is quite brilliant! the line in the middle A to B however is the trailing edge, not the leading. you will discover this once you have cut a blade. the inside of the pipe is what faces the wind when complete. please let us know how this design works. i think that the circle in the middle will also add much more strength to the one piece blades.  thank you for the constructive feed back.

zubbly

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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#12)
by wooferhound on Mon Oct 27, 2003 at 08:01:07 AM MST

 Thanks Zubbly

After looking at that last drawing for a while, I realized that the best way is like your first drawing at the top of the page, except with circles or ovals in the center, like this . . .

I'm thinking about pulling the Christmas paper off a tube and start cutting . . .

. >=- W o o f -=<
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Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#13)
by Budgreen on Mon Oct 27, 2003 at 12:37:04 PM MST

which blade style (standard or 'high torque') would give a lower startup speed?
I think it would be fun to expeiment with these on small steppers but in limited wind speed.




Re: diagrams for cutting pvc props (none / 0) (#14)
by zubbly on Mon Oct 27, 2003 at 06:43:08 PM MST

hello.  he high torque would be my first choice for faster start up. however, i think the design that Woof replyed with could quite possibly be even better. whatever choice you make, have fun.

zubbly

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