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Jerrys capacitors


By RobC, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 09:21:33 AM MST
Jerry Capacitor Question

What would you have in stock in the line of capacitors to boost a battery banks output momentarily by say 200 amps. Is this practical? What would it cost?
When are you going to have a catalog of parts and pieces for us to buy?
Thanks RobC
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Re: Jerrys capacitors (none / 0) (#1)
by Jerry on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 11:11:00 AM MST

Hi Rob C
If we use the guidlines of the car audio industry the amount of capacitor needed is determind by the load. They say an amplifier of 100 watts rms should be conected in perelell with a 100,000 UF capacitor.

200 amps at 12 volts = 2400 watts, 24 X 100,000 = 2,400,000 or 2.4 farad UF capacitor.

As for a  boost. I think its more like stableizing. I think of it this way. When there is a heavy load on a battery the voltage sags or drops.

Its just like halling a 2 tun load in your half tun PU it sags.

The capacitor is like an overload spring. It helps maintain the higher voltage with puls type loads. This is why the car stereo industry calls these large caps Stiffnig Capacitors. These caps fill in the voids between pulses faster than batteries can. Capacitors charge and discharge very fast. They can acept charge fast and release charge fast. This is why they are used in capacitor discharge ingition, wich is good up to about 50,000 rpm.
60 hertz is much slower than this so a larger value cap is needed.

Try this sinple expiriment. Take a small low voltage transformer with a bridge diode. Or even easyer yet a small low amperage battery charger. With nothing conected to the charger measure the dc voltage comming out. Now add a 20 volt capacitor of 1,000 or higher and watch the voltage increase a bunch. If this was done with a battery conected the amperage and voltage will increase very slightly.
But the caps help the battery with hadling load.
Hey every little bit helps. Kinda makes up for diode looses.

I hear you about the catalog. I'm trying abit hard to squeeze time in but keep me motivated.

                       JK TAS Jerry

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Re: Jerrys capacitors (none / 0) (#4)
by RobC on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 06:50:26 PM MST

Thanks for the info Jerry.
RobC

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Re: Jerrys capacitors (none / 0) (#2)
by scoraigwind on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 05:08:50 PM MST

it's unusual to see capacitors on the DC side of the rectifier.  But if you use single phase and a small battery it could help reduce losses by smoothing out the current a bit.  Put the recitifier and caps at the bottom of the tower (or the top even) so as to get best benefit.

It's more normal to fit motor run caps on the AC side of the rectifier.  This can get you more amps at lower speed in cases where there is too much inductance (laminated core).
Hugh Piggott http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk



Re: Jerrys capacitors (none / 0) (#5)
by RobC on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 06:55:22 PM MST

Motor run caps on the AC side? I got to try that when I get a minute. Thanks Hugh
RobC

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Re: Jerrys capacitors (none / 0) (#3)
by Scott on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 06:14:32 PM MST

Haven't I read that you can use capacitors on a DC input from a mill to before a diode to boost the low end of the mill.  I understood that the capacitor will charge from the mill and discharge into the battery even when the mill is below cut in speed.  I've found some info on buck convertors which do this for PV's setup to run a waterpump.  

Would appreciate any additional info

Scott



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