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Really thin coils.


By Bach On, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 10:35:57 PM MST
Speculation:

I've now tried different techniques for winding coils. Most end up being an inch thick by the time they are set in Fiberglass resin. Even with dual magnet disks, that's quite a gap.

I've been toying with an idea. I'd appreciate any feedback. First, the goal is 9 coils with 12 pairs of 1 inch by 2 inch by 1/4 inch thick magnets. I'm anticipating a 16 inch diameter set of magnet rotors.

My wire is 18 gauge. I got it from a motor rewinding shop. Here's the idea:

Imagine a sandwich - plexiglass on the outsides, with a 1/4 inch thick wood core. I might also include fiberglass cloth in the sandwich. The coils would be 50 - 60 turns of wire. The wood core is thin enough that the thickness can't get but so large. After winding, I'd seal it with some form of epoxy, or maybe use resin. My stator would be made of plexiglass. Each of these nine sandwiched coils would be glued to this plexiglass stator. Providing there are few screw holes to produce stress fractures, do you think this might hold up?

Yes, plexiglass can get brittle. But by keeping things as thin as possible, my hope would be to keep the gap between my magnets relatively thin.

Suggestions and comments would be appreciated.

Bach On

Really thin coils. | 5 comments (5 topical)

Re: Really thin coils. (none / 0) (#1)
by DanB on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 11:05:30 PM MST

Im not quite sure I follow you....  but heres my thoughts.

"Imagine a sandwich - plexiglass on the outsides, with a 1/4 inch thick wood core."

Im not sure why youd want plexi in there....  it would serve as an alternative to casting things perhaps, but in the end... that plexi is taking up xtra thickness or.. space where you could have copper!

"The wood core is thin enough that the thickness can't get but so large. After winding, I'd seal it with some form of epoxy, or maybe use resin."

That kind of almost describes the coil winder that I use.  its a sandwich - plexi on the outside and wood on the back and a wooden form in the middle.  Before I loosen the nut on the end, and take the coil off - I put glue (super glue) into the coil which sticks it together and makes it hard so that when I take it out it doesnt get any thicker.  There are other ways to do this too - making the form so that you can tie, or tape the coils tightly before you remove them.

Hard for me to say - and perhaps Im misunderstanding, but It shouldnt be difficult to wind good thin coils, and inch is quite a lot!  But I don't often hear of this being a problem.  I think your idea of plexi would surely work - but Im doubtful that it would make things easier and in the end I think youd wind up with possibly an even larger airgap - because the plexi occupies space where you could have copper wire.




Re: Really thin coils. (none / 0) (#2)
by Bach On on Tue Dec 23, 2003 at 04:48:16 AM MST

Dan,

Thanks for the response. I've tried 1 by wood as the core for my coils. I've also tried dowels. The quarter inch thick wood seems a better thickness. I might even try to plane that down to something like 3/16 of an inch.

I suspect my post was not clear. I'm talking about two different steps. First, using the plexiglass as a mold for the nine individual coils.

After molding and setting the coils in whatever glue/resin to hold them together, that plexi and wood would be removed and probably discarded. Pure copper would remain.

Then there would be one thickness of plexiglass to which my nine coils would be glued. This should leave me with a stator in the range of 3/8 to 7/16 inches thick.

A difficulty I always seem to have is that my fiberglass molded stators often vary in thickness. This often forces me to have a wider gap to accomodate the less than "plumb" and uniformly level surfaces. I just haven't found the right process to end up with a level molded surface. The plexiglass should be uniformly level, while adding minimally to the thickness.

The plexiglass I have is about an 1/8 of an inch thick.

Bach On
 
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Re: Really thin coils. (none / 0) (#3)
by wdyasq on Tue Dec 23, 2003 at 06:12:34 AM MST

Bach On,

If I were trying to build the thinnest and strongest stator for the thickness, I would make the front and back plates of high-tensile epoxy resin and 'S-glass'or carbon-fiber cloth first.  These thin laminates would be made on a piece of waxed plate glass and made with as little resin as it took to soak the cloth.  All excess would be pulled off or I might vacuum bag it with 'peal-ply'.  

I would then make my coils and sandwich them between the two skins I had just made.  Spacer blocks would keep the skins at a constant thickness and squeeze out the excess resin.

The resulting product would have the structural material as separated as possible.  The 'skins' would likely be less than .030 inches each.

But, there is an old saying -Go ahead, it's not my cow.-

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen



Re: Really thin coils. (none / 0) (#4)
by Nando on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 09:53:21 AM MST

Why dont you try to explain what you are trying to do, I mean, the final product; it may be better, this way, for  someone to understand what you are trying to do, this way you may get a lot of more practical help.

Nando



Re: Really thin coils. (none / 0) (#5)
by Harry Luubovv on Tue Dec 30, 2003 at 09:41:32 AM MST

Hi guys,

Don't forget, it is important to use clamping-down method while epoxying the sandwich. This will keep the stator thiner and the clamps can be adjusted to get an even thickness ALL AROUND the stator disc as you can squeeze the coils down (Unless you already have the coils wound in high density, which is not so easy to do in homemade situations). That too, you won't even have to fabricate spaces. Using 4 or even 6 clamps around the disc can get must precise height adjustments than using the "Lazy" 3 clamps. With 3 clamps, sometimes you might think you got it under control but when the resin or epoxy is dried and you opened the clamps, you would find the uneven thickness still. (Sorry for the outburst "Lazy", did not mean to contradict others. Just wanted to update ideas. Get the drift ? :-)

Smile,
Harry Luubovv.

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