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elect usage


By Anonymous Hero, Section Remote Living
Posted on Wed Jul 02, 2003 at 07:11:56 AM MST
seems no one ever talks about elect usage in real numbers

Estimating my power usage for the coming day. I started the day out with a deficit of 1212 watts or 101 a/h (amp hours), do to the refrigerator and pellet stoves night usage. It is partly cloudy and cool. I figure the pellet stove will come on about 4 times during the day, as it has been doing all week. Using 400 watts for 4 min each start will be 16 minutes. Running 30 min each cycle at 20 watts (auger) equals another 80 watts for a grand total or 180 watts in round numbers. By having the blower disconnected and using a sterling engine electrical usage is cut by about 60 %. This and the refrigerator are power usage's that are essential. 180 watts divided by 12v = 15 a/h The refrigerator uses 1.2 k/w (kilowatt hours) per 24 hr period. Usage for the day ½ = 600 watts or 50 a/h (1k/w = 1000watts) grand total of 780watts or 65a/h. Computer time for writing this article say 2 hours @ 28 watts per hr = 56 watts more or 4.66 a/h. The importance of amp/hrs. is that the batteries capacities are rated in a/h as is the e-meter which monitors the batteries. Grid electricity is figured in watts, kilowatts, megawatts, etc. My usage is now increased by 56 watts plus I have a deficit of 1212 watts from last night, giving me a grand total of 1992 watts or 166 a/h. Now that the necessities are out of the way I can figure the little things like laundry, cooking, and entertainment. I have a stabre washer which is very economical on water and elect. I would like to use the crock pot to cook ham and beans while I'm out and about. I also need to make a loaf of bread. I have built an electrical chart of all the appliances that I own. And use it to figure my consumption. Washer 150 watts per load or 12.5 a/h. For the crock pot 550 watts per pot of beans or 45.8 a/h the bread maker 375 watts per loaf or 31.3 a/h bringing my total to 3066 watts (3.06 k/w) or 255.5 a/h. I need a cup of coffee!! 60 watts Ooh!! 3126 watts or 260.5 a/h. Skip the toast!! 36 watts or 3 a/h. In this partly cloudy weather I have been averaging around 2.2 k/w a day elect from the sun and about 25a/h a day wind. Equaling 25 x 12 = 300 watts + 2200 watts = 2500 watts @208 a/h, giving me a deficit of about .6k/w. I will have to hope for better sunlight today. When one has a deficet like this, they can carry it in their storage for a few days and see what happens, or they can fire up a generator. (which I don't own) lets wait and see how the day turns out. If need be I will use less tomorrow and make up the deficit then, as it is suppose to be sunny. The washer uses 15 gal of hot water from a 120 gal solar hot water tank which is @ 104 degrees reducing the temp to 84 degrees. With good sun the temp will rise to about 120 degrees by late evening. I would like to use the jet tub this evening if the water is hot enough. It uses 40 to 45 gal of water and will need to be 120 or greater to keep from kicking on the aqua star propane, demand hot water heater that is a backup to the system. I hate to use propane if I don't have to. The tub uses 175 watts every 10 minutes. Sure would be nice to go at least 20 min. Showering runs the 12v pump which don't use much elect. I don't have a meter that measures my actual usage other than a watts-up, but it only measures 1 item at a time. So it is hard to figure my losses, between the inverters and the batteries to come to full charge. This cost about 20% of my charging or about 600 watts or 50a/h gives me 3726 watts total or 447 a/h. Looks like I will get 3k/w solar, but under 10 a/h, 120 watts wind until the prevailing wind kicks in later tonight for a total of 260 a/h..447-260= -187 a/h My e-meter says that I am actually down -135 a/h. Pretty close. Think I'll use the hot tub for 20 min. almost sun down and the wind is coming up check then for final numbers. 3.4 k/w from the sun and e-meter @ 113. Lost 2 a/h. Good day! Will have plenty of sun tomorrow. Hope to equalize as I won't need much elect. Maybe vacume. Will use 20a/h maybe tonight on x-m radio and florescent lights. I have a real neat 12v led lite that uses 300 miliamps, lights up nice for relaxing or when elect is in short supply. Water at 130 degrees, jet tub filled, Aaaaah!!!! love that electricity!!!!.==erne
elect usage | 8 comments (8 topical)

Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#1)
by troy on Wed Jul 02, 2003 at 11:51:40 AM MST

When I first moved into my present house, we used an average of 724 kwh (kilowatthours) per month.  Then I dumped the electric water heater, stove and dryer in exchange for natural gas appliances.  All incandescent light bulbs that were on for any significant amount of time were replaced with compact fluorescents.  Both my wife and I learned to have better habits about turning lights and appliances off when not used.  We reduced and eliminated many phantom loads.

Our last three electric bills showed:

259, 172 and 222 kilowatt hours per month, which is about a 2/3 reduction.  

We still have some room to go and improve things and we also received our first two 110 watt mono crystaline panels yesterday.  Conservation pays forever.

Good luck and have fun!

troy



Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#2)
by TomW on Wed Jul 02, 2003 at 06:21:12 PM MST

Troy;


Conservation pays forever.

You nailed that one. Lots easier to conserve 400 KWH of power than to produce it.

Cheers.

TomW

The Truth is the Truth, even if no one believes it; and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it


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Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jul 04, 2003 at 11:28:25 AM MST

Your KWH are down, no electric hotwaterheater, no electric stove and no electric dryer and that's good. Have you calculated the cost for the gas, hot water-heater, cook stove and the gas for the now gas dryer (not counting the cost for the new appliances) yes your electric costs are down but your gas bill is up. So I'm really interested how much you saved? Not trying to be critical, just trying to figure out the real bottom line. Regards Richard/B

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Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#7)
by troy on Sat Jul 05, 2003 at 11:54:44 AM MST

When we initially made the switch about 1 year ago, I crunched the numbers out of curiosity to see how much money difference it made.  For just the switched appliances, I think it was around 60% savings of the original cost of the electricity.  But the money was really secondary to the environmental issues.  

Burning a fossil fuel, to make hot water (steam) at the generating station, to spin a turbine, to turn a generator, to push electrons many miles and through several transformers, all of which cause efficiency losses, just to make hot water again in my basement, is paramount foolishness.  Just burn the fossil fuel right under the water tank in the first place and save 80% of said fossil fuel.  We can't afford to throw away that much fossil fuel for much longer without big consequences.

Anyway, I'll get down off my soap box and merely conclude that it was nice to save a little money and even better to know that I was doing my part to help the environment.

Best regards,

troy

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Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#3)
by iFred on Thu Jul 03, 2003 at 06:40:49 AM MST

Hey Guys, Nice write up. the thing that I have learned is that most loads are only on for a short period of time, take a refrigirator, the motor comes on for around 10 mins and shuts off. I make a cup of tea, the nuker is on for exactly 1.40 min's and then off for another couple hours. My point is, that we look at most loads as a constant drain but when calculated correctly these loads are on only for short bursts in most cases. Yes we are to blame for leaving the lights on when a room is not in use, and conservation is not ussally on our minds, but the correction to that is staring at a bill that costs several hundred dollars each month!! My point being that during the times these loads are not on is when a battery could be charged by a small jenny or solar panel (a couple amps or so) and ready for service when the load kicks in is a small fraction of the overall usage, and therefor would reduce your bill by some fraction componded monthly, this is more desirable then looking at the entire bill and usage and thinking about the massive undertaking of full conversion to off grid power. My quest lately has been to design and build smaller more effeicient generators in the 3-5 amp at 12 volt range to charge up single batteries for small loads that are on for short periods. This has turned about the way I think of power and usage and the concept of short burst loads.
>> all energy used to produce this comment or post came from solar and wind energy! It works!


Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#4)
by troy on Thu Jul 03, 2003 at 03:44:50 PM MST

Hi Fred,

Free energy is good energy.  We don't care if it's the turbo mongo 12kw ten story turbine or the recycled tape drive motor with a 6' pine blade.

Best Regards,

troy

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Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous Hero on Thu Jul 03, 2003 at 06:04:41 PM MST

Hi Troy, who set you "free"? Anyway I agree with Fred on the seperate batteries for separate duties. Mainly because I come by batteries one at a time, and DC doesn't do well long distance from what I was told. Starting with a small panel and single battery for a single porch light. Then another for a light way out in the back shed etc.., I figured I might be doing it the wrong way but as long as it worked, what the hey. Eventually the whole place might be done up this way, since I only get a piece at a time. Since you sound like you are a few batteries ahead of me, do you come accross any problems with this method that I should be warned about, Fred?

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Re: elect usage (none / 0) (#8)
by guitarzan on Sat Aug 16, 2003 at 11:59:24 AM MST

ya'll make this stuff sound so damn easy. im just a hillbilly. i just wanna know how big a solar panel I need to run a fridge a compact flourescent and a box window fan and what all do I need to hook up to it to make it work. Is there a book called "Solar energy for Dummies"? Cause I need it. All this kilowatt hour stuff makes my calculator hurt.
guitarzan


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