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Splicing PEX tubing


By Wyomingbob, Section Remote Living
Posted on Fri Jul 04, 2003 at 08:51:06 PM MST
must never ever leak

What's the absolute surest and proper method for splicing a run of 1/2" Heat PEX that will be entombed in concrete as part of a hydronic heating system?  I know, I know -- don't splice at all.  We really tried to avoid it, honest.  I need a method that will last 300 years, in concrete, running very hot propylene glycol, and never ever leak even after a million heating & cooling cycles.  Help?
Splicing PEX tubing | 7 comments (7 topical)

Re: Splicing PEX tubing (none / 0) (#1)
by wdyasq on Fri Jul 04, 2003 at 09:09:18 PM MST

Mr Wyoming,

http://www.pexconnection.com/heating/oxygaurd.htm#heatpex

Has 1000' lengths of 1/2" PEX......

You must be building a big building or have some cheap PEX you are using....

Or, just plan on making the splices wher you can get to and fix them.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen



Re: Splicing PEX tubing (none / 0) (#2)
by Wyomingbob on Fri Jul 04, 2003 at 09:21:20 PM MST

I had a 1000' roll of PEX.  It is top-grade stuff, and the building isn't that big.  A mid-course change in the heating system design left me short of the manifold.  The splice will be under concrete and inaccessible.  This cannot be that hard.

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Re: Splicing PEX tubing (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jul 04, 2003 at 10:58:57 PM MST

As well as I can remember you can use one of the pex union fittings that use double O ring seals and protect it by covering it over with large shrink tubing before covering it with concrete. For additional peace of mind you can replace the O rings with neoprene or silicone types that will have a much longer lifespan. I imagine you will be pressure testing the system before doing the concrete pour. Good Luck Tom S.



Re: Splicing PEX tubing (none / 0) (#4)
by troy on Sat Jul 05, 2003 at 12:15:07 PM MST

You could always put the splice in a box with an accessible cover that looks nice in the floor.  I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy myself.  Isn't there some variant of Murphy's law that states that the liklihood of a plumbing joint leaking is inversely proportional to its accesibility?

I know you're busy like crazy, but I am fascinated by radiant heat so if you could give us a little description of your project some time that would be great.  Is your pump/control system off the shelf or did you come up with a less expensive home-brew solution?

Good luck and have fun!

troy

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Re: Splicing PEX tubing (none / 0) (#5)
by Wyomingbob on Sat Jul 05, 2003 at 03:31:08 PM MST

Hi, Troy.  Think I've found the standard method: barbed brass insert coupling, crimped w/ O-rings (prolly two each side), then sealed w/ heat-shrink or that waterproof vulcanized electrician's tape.  The system isn't under any real pressure, just a couple of pounds from the slowpump.  I knew there had to be a common fix, because at $550 per 1000' roll, installers couldn't afford to no-splice every loop & wind up with a bunch of useless short rolls in the warehouse. And damage can happen during installation.  (Some job orders do specify "no splices", tho.)

Local ACE Hardware actually had all the goodies, including plugs & schraeder valve fittings for pressure testing.  Even lent me the crimping pliers gratis.

The reason I ran short is cuz I changed the system design a bit on the fly, which is quite typical of me.  The entire slab sits on 2" of styrofoam, called Insulworks: these are 4'x4' pieces w/ grooves milled so the PEX just snaps in & is secured by plastic staples.  Two zones of the hydronic system are purely distribution: (1) back bedroom, office, and part of living room; (2) bathroom, mudroom hall, and master bedroom.  Third zone is the troublemaker.  It leaves the manifold, warms the bulk of the living room, then does many tight turns in the solarium, where dark concrete and sloped glazing should mean a net temp gain on cold sunny days.  So it's a mix of distribution and collection.  Then I was going to return to the storage tank, but figured heck, may as well use this reheated glycol to warm the kitchen.  That's when I ran short.  Choices became: overextending loop (2) to carry the kitchen; adding a fourth zone; or splicing more PEX to loop (3) and putting that reheated fluid to good use.

The bathroom floor, BTW, is a product called Warmboard: basically 1-3/8" thick OSB with an aluminum sheet surface and tracks for the PEX.  Haven't quite sorted out the controls yet: it's going to be pretty basic, with maybe one floor temp sensor in the LR and I'll balance the other zones by tweaking manifold valves manually.  Not putting thermostats or electronic valves on each loop.  That's an expensive pain, and uses parasitic power.  The solar HW collector will have its own pump and differential thermostat.  Or I might just slap a 12VDC slow pump and 50 watt solar panel right on the collector and call it good.  Glycol in both the collector and hydronic systems; domestic hot water is in a 60 gal tank with dual stainless heat-exchanger coils inside.  After six months of futile searching, I finally found a reliable supplier of solar tanks at a decent price: Tam Jass tanks from SPNW in Oregon.  Thermomax wanted about 2.5 times as much for a lesser tank.  And SPNW will cut in bulkheads for water heater elements for only $60 per, so my wind turbine dump loads are taken care of.  The the DHW leaves the tank and goes to a demand LP gas water heater which modulates to zero BTUs if the water is hot enuf.

Sound like a nightmare plumbing job? Fraid so.  I love electrical, but plumbing just sux.  Icky.

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Re: Splicing PEX tubing (none / 0) (#7)
by troy on Mon Jul 07, 2003 at 02:35:19 PM MST

Hey thanks Bob,

That's what I'm thinking, a combination of low tech with some informed tweaking.  More simple, more reliable, more affordable, more serviceable, with a reasonable amount of control.

Best regards,

troy

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Re: Splicing PEX tubing (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous Hero on Sun Jul 06, 2003 at 02:33:45 PM MST

Wyoming, I built a hydronic system back in Canada. I had a special tool that stretched the PEX and allowed a shrink fit . It worked well and maybe you could use 1/2 "copper as a union. I described my system on remote living a couple months ago. Check it out. Jungle Bill



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