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more info on 24v, 194rpm motors as generators


By Chuck, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Fri Aug 22nd, 2003 at 01:23:15 PM MST
No, I don't work for surplus center...

As someone who has put a lot of energy, time and money into rebuilding a few motors for low speed generator use, I have to pimp this little (40 lbs is little ?) motor a bit. This is the first DC motor I've seen that needs no modifications to be suitable as a direct drive wind generator. OK, it's not a huge output, and not comparable to the disk rotor brake alternators we all love to make, but for someone who is starting out and wants to get something up fast, spinning and making a few hundred watts I would highly recommend these little units.

I found this review, first written in 1997, on the web. Everything he says seems right on to me and as true today as it was 5 years ago. Even the price is the same.

http://www.solarwashington.org/articles/Projects/DC_Motors.html

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID= 2003080615242635&catname=&qty=1&item=10-1519-a

OK, I lied... I would make the following modifications:

  1. Replace the leads with 8 guage wire
  2. replace the bearings with new ones
  3. seriously consider replacing the ceramic mags with neos (could be a big job) for better output and/or lower cut-in speed.
Chuck
more info on 24v, 194rpm motors as generators | 5 comments (5 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: more info on 24v, 194rpm motors as generators (none / 0) (#1)
by JB on Fri Aug 22nd, 2003 at 03:30:58 PM MST
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I often wondered about those motors as I  was the one that  posted about them on the old board. I know good for me. If I wasnt so strapped for change and the price of gas 2.13 a gallon killing me Id love to have one. My thoughts on him being so heavy was to make the barrel type vertical shaft turbine windmill setup in Technicians and Experimenters guide  to using sun wind and water power by Robert E Pierson hooked up with pulleys and  the motor in in my crawl space above my workshop. 40 pounds to start off with for a few hundred watts in a regular type 3 or 4 blade windmill??? just a little too much work for the output for me. Thats just my 2 cents.  Thanks for the Link Chuck. JB Dayton Nevada



Re: more info on 24v, 194rpm motors as generators (none / 0) (#3)
by Windnutone on Sat Aug 23rd, 2003 at 08:03:40 PM MST
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Hello everyone .... i just put one of those 40 Lb ..... 24 Volt ....194 rpm
up. New Brushes and Front + rear bearings. Sealed well .... we geta little rain
here in Wa. State. And all I have to say is ... Ya gotta love em. Have a 9 Foot diameter 3 Blade prop set-up. A little over 100 rpm to start chargeing ...sweet!Used some old WINCHARGER and Parris Dunn Parts for Frame . 5 Machines up .. Bring on Winter.
Windnutone...

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Re: more info on 24v, 194rpm motors as generators (none / 0) (#2)
by LowTechWreck on Sat Aug 23rd, 2003 at 06:08:28 AM MST
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Great article!
How would someone estimate what size of neo nags to get?
Thanks



Re: more info on 24v, 194rpm motors as generators (none / 0) (#4)
by Chuck on Mon Aug 25th, 2003 at 10:26:05 AM MST
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I looked on the otherpower site for the neos I'll be using but didn't find them there. Bummer... I will be using the large curved hard drive magnets. They should fit into the 6" motor shell fairly well. I believe they measure about 1.24" x 1.75" x .25" with a curve built in.

For a quick update on the motor's performance... I spent the weekend watching the ammeter during winds in the 20 - 30 mph range. I'm on a 24 volt system and was seeing sustained readings of 5 amps (125 watts) with gusty periods of 10 amps (250 watts) up to 15 amps (375 watts). Since the drop across the diode is .8 volts and the battery was at around 25.7 volts at the time, The generator was actually putting 26.5 volts to the diode. The amps were measured after the diode, so the estimated watts are a bit lower than actual output. I wonder how much I'm loosing at the slip ring brushes ? ...

Of course there were times the blade was spinning and no output was recorded due to being under cut-in speed. I'm hoping that neos will help that situation.

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by LowTechWreck on Tue Aug 26th, 2003 at 09:32:58 PM MST
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I guess Windnutone has a twelve volt system if it starts charging at 100 Rpm.
12 is what I have.
I'm starting to wish I had gotten 24v Air-Xs instead of 12 or how about none at all.

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