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SLA battery mini tutorial according to me


By jimu, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Sun Aug 24th, 2003 at 08:05:35 PM MST
Using Used SLA Batteries

  I was actually going to post this as a comment to Zmoz in his inquiries about sla's in "Is voltage an accurate measurement of remaining capacity?"

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2003/8/20/145253/750

  But, I thought I would post it here as a new fresh post and reiterate some of the comments I have made in earlier posts.

There really has been a lot of information posted here on SLA batteries, which has ranged from totally incorrect to very good. I have watched with interest to see how
how many posts actually come nearer the real world of SLA's

  First, I am presently a Biomedical Electronic Technician (BMET) at one of the largest hospitals in the Midwest here in St.Louis. I also used to live off grid for 2 years in New Mexico before I moved here in 2000.

 We use nearly 2000 SLA batteries in medical electronic equipment that I maintain, from small SLA's at 1.4 amp/hrs to 26 amp/hr ones. I maintain and repair a wide varity of charging systems in these systems. So, basically I have seen every SLA issue one can imagine. Bear in mind, that my SLA experience only extends to SLA's of 36 amp/hr or less in capacity, so I can not make any claims about larger ones.

At the moment I run the Otherpower IRC server on a bank of used sla's totalling over 200 amp/hrs in capacity, using anywhere from 12 volt 7 amp'ers to 12 volt 26 amp'ers, all wired in parallel. This consists of a Coleman 400 watt inverter, and a Dell 133 Latitude LM laptop running Linux kernel 2.4.20. The avg load is 1.5 amps 24/7 out of the used SLA bank.

The bank is charged from my 6 panel PV array using an  ASC 12/16 controller to the SLA bank, and to my Trace C-40 , which charges my t-105 bank out in the shed.

 How I determine if a used SLA is good:

When I go thru the pile of used sla's looking for good candidates to take home, I consider several factors..

  1. The age of the battery by date code
  2. The unloaded voltage should be above 13 volts (means it was charged when pulled out of service).
  3. Physical condition of the battery (swelling, terminal damage, etc).
  4. And , if i can , determine the kind of service it had seen (standby use, heavy charge/discharge use, etc.)
 Then, after I gather up my good candidates, the next step is to fully charge it, using my variable 5 amp power supply set to 14.45 volts. I look at initial charge current, and insure it drops down to a nice safe level after a few minutes. After an overnight charge, I then measure the current being drawn. If any of the batts draw more than a few millamps in float state, I discard them.

Now, Im down to the load test..I use a 12 volt automotive tail light bulb (1157 I think), which draws about 1.7 - 1.8 amps. I then do a time test to see what the battery voltage is under load, depending on the amp/hr capacity of the battery.

Using these methods, I have never had a bad SLA battery taken home from the shop at work..(they are heavy, and I commute on light rail!)

 Also, over the last few years, I have used a variety of charging systems to charge sla's , anywhere from small wall worts, to simple LM317 and LM723 circuits I have built, to variable power supplies, to sophiscated charge controllers.

 12 volt Sla's basically like 2 charging voltages depending on your use for them. When used in a system that regulary cycles them, they like to be charged between 14.5 volts and 14.9 volts. In a system where they are used for standby service, e.g. UPS supplies, they like to be kept charged at 13.7 to about 13.9 volts. And this voltage is not that critical really, but is one of the factors in SLA charging that extends the life of the battery.

 The 1 amp trickle chargers will work, but need to be kept an eye on, since they are unregulated, and tend to float the SLA voltage up to 16 volts or higher. SLA's have no tolerance for over voltage charging, due to the fact they can not outgass, and tend to swell and eventually short out over time.

Also, a note on voltage as a determintation of state of charge (SOC).

The used bank, in normal 1.5 amp draw, has never seen a voltage below 12.78. Some here have stated that 12.7 is 100 % charged, but by the time the sun hits the panels in the morning, I am still well above this level, and estimate that the bank is down to 90 % SOC. Troy has made some excellent posts in the past to why this can vary .

The last thing I want to add, is that I have never been able to fully recover a dead SLA..In my experience, once a SLA goes dead, its useful life is near an end.

 TomW and I have been working on some realtime online graphs of the Otherpower IRC PV system, and have some graphs now online, with a sample rate of every ten seconds. I am presently using a Radio Shack 22-805 multimeter linked to rs-232 with custom software to generate these plots in realtime. Soon to come will be PV "IN" amps, and battery (OUT) load amps as I build the meter multiplexing circuit

 Check out the current graph at

 http://oneota.com/~earthsourcepowr/jimgraph.php

or on the IRC server itself at :

 http://66.140.203.101/solar/data.shtml

  and you will see how the controller kicks in at 14.5 volts , shuts off the panels till the voltage hits 14.0 volts, and then cycles till the sun goes down, unless of course I fire up a fan or two off of the bank ;)

Hope this helps about on SLA's . Any questions, dont hesitate to give me a yell.

JimU , The Solar powered Otherpower IRC server Admin

IRC server:  otherpower.serveirc.com  on port 6667  channel is #otherpower

SLA battery mini tutorial according to me | 5 comments (5 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: SLA battery mini tutorial according to me (none / 0) (#1)
by dconn on Mon Aug 25th, 2003 at 03:16:45 AM MST
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Hi,

I'm writing to you about your data acquisition system (although I'm also running a gateway notebook computer with Linux 2.4.X on 5 X 80AH SLA's being charged by a german made solar charge controller).

It looks like you are using "MRTG" to graph your battery levels.  I'm using this software to graph wind speed but I'm very interested in recording battery voltage and current in/out.  I know there are the computer interfacable DVM's like the one you are using but you'd need quite a few of them and lots of serial ports on the notebook (I've looked into linux compatable RS232->USB connectors) and its all quite expensive.  How are you planning to connect up multiple monitoring?  I'm very interested to find out how to do this easily.

Thanks for this off-tread question.

Derek Conniffe



Re: SLA battery mini tutorial according to me (none / 0) (#2)
by jimu on Mon Aug 25th, 2003 at 06:34:48 AM MST
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Hi Dconn,

  I believe that using recycled batteries, and having data collection systems , are right in line with the Otherpower spirit,. What better way to evaluate the performance of your solar and wind systems?

Actually, Tomw and I are not using MRTG. I am using a version of the Multimeter program available for download here, which I edited and recompiled for my special needs.

http://home.pages.at/linux/

and then I wrote a perl script to do the data logging to files, in which gnuplot uses to perform the online graphing. I am using MRTG tho to monitor Wind speed, Wind direction, temperature and humidity . These graphs are online and generated hourly on the same laptop at :

http://66.140.203.101/weather/index.html

 Now, in order to use the single rs-232 port and 1 multimeter, I have to multiplex the test leads from the batteries to my homemade shunts. This will be accomplished by using the parallel port and driving a couple of opto isolated relay drivers to switch the leads. So, basically what happens then, is I send a command to read battery voltage, log it, send LPT command to switch in the relay to move the leads to the shunt, wait x amount of seconds for the autoranging to settle down since i am going from volts to millivolts, take a reading  and repeat.

 An excellent page about using the parallel port for driving relays can be found here:

  http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/parallel_output.html

So, far my totally investment has been 25 bucks for the meter I found on ebay, (one can never have enuff meters, right ? ;) ) and parts scrounged from my junkbox.. And, of course all software being used is under the free GPL , and the rest is just my spare time writing up scripts.

Hope this helps.

JimU

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Re: Data Acquisition (none / 0) (#5)
by dconn on Mon Aug 25th, 2003 at 10:02:50 AM MST
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Hi again Jim,

I think the multiplexing with the printer port is a really excellent idea.  I'd never thought about that at all.  A few years ago I purchased a kit with 8 relays that connects to the printer port - I never did much with it but I didn't have any problems driving it from Linux (or, to be correct, I used freebsd at the time but I've converted since then - although the PPS [pulse-per-second] printer interface in FreeBSD is excellent and I tried to use this initially as a wind speed recorder).

I've been looking at data acquisition units to buy (I have been looking at the picotech devices) but I might try your method (it might be cheaper and its obviously working :) - if I can find a compatable DVM of course.)

Thanks again for the information on your data logging system - its the best bit of information I've come accross for a while

Derek

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Excellent writeup, Jim (none / 0) (#3)
by TomW on Mon Aug 25th, 2003 at 07:51:40 AM MST
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And I sure will push to get this included in the FAQ section.

I have been seeing a lot of just plain wrong information on these batteries from people with no experience and no real world clue in the field. Experience comes with time.

The readers need to understand that anyone who is a registered user can submit a comment and that we do not edit for reliability or accuracy of the posts. Lots of "instant experts" around lately.

It never bothers me when someone posts about what they know but it does bother me when people post things they " know" that just ain't so!

Cheers.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain



Re: SLA battery mini tutorial according to me (none / 0) (#4)
by wooferhound (tim((NoSpamAt))wooferhound.com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2003 at 08:37:47 AM MST
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 I have been toying around with the idea of using a 7815, 15 volt regulator as a quick and dirty way of regulating my batteries charge from smaller sources of power. This is a few tenths of a volt higher than you are recommending. Is this a good idea or should I stick with the slightly more complex LM317 ?
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W o o f -={(



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