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Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher


By ADMIN, Section Remote Living
Posted on Sun Dec 19th, 2004 at 04:55:06 PM MST
This is NOT a personal ad!

I HATE doing dishes, and my guests are taken aback when I put them right back up in the cupboard after letting my dog Kodiak clean them. So I'm in the market for a slim-line (17-18 inch wide) energy- and water-efficient dishwasher. My inverter is only 1500 watt, and I need a dishwasher with the option of using hot water from my Aquastar propane water heater instead of heating the water electrically.

Found lots of brands by Googling.....Bosch, AEG, Miele, Zanussi, Smeg, Asko, Equator, etc....but nobody gives the actual power draw in watts on their websites, only the unit's energy star compliance figures of kW/h per year and water use estimates.

So, does anyone out there have experience with off-grid dishwashers and how much power they draw? It appears that a couple local appliance stores carry Asko, Bosch and Fischer-Paykel, so I'm headed there on my next town trip. Any advice appreciated!

DANF

Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher | 9 comments (9 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by DERFMOOSE on Sun Dec 19th, 2004 at 11:54:42 AM MST
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           Hi Back in the days when gas was cheap I usto go campin alot Had a Dish washer thatsat on sink used water pressure to wash no power might stil be able to find them at a campin supply  store
                                         derF



Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by tawa on Mon Dec 20th, 2004 at 10:05:20 AM MST
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Yes, I have also seen dishwashers which sit on the counter. They hook right on to your faucet outlet and drain into the sink. Some appliance stores might sell them. I'll give you a hint. Stores in richer parts of town will not stock them, there is no need. Try the other end of town. If large chain stores don't have them, try  mom and pop stores.
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Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by elvin1949 (elvin1949@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 20th, 2004 at 07:54:40 PM MST
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www.realgoods.com

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Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by MelTx on Sun Dec 19th, 2004 at 02:07:35 PM MST
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   Hello  How could you even think of pink sliping poor old Kodiac,or laying him off?
 Have you ever looked in the eyes of an unemployed dog? well its one of the sadiest sights you ever saw.When you have dinner guests tell them bringing their own dishes & eating tools is optional.



Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Old F on Sun Dec 19th, 2004 at 03:00:59 PM MST
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Not to worry Kodiacs job is safe

I haven't seen a dishwasher yet. That you didn't
have to wash the dishes be for you loaded
them in the washer.  

Dan most have a heating element for drying but that is selectable use it or not.

 I would ask if it had a water boost heater If it has I don't think you
Inverter would handle it I think they may be 220V.

Old F


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Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Mon Dec 20th, 2004 at 04:27:56 PM MST
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You might be able to disconnect the 'boost' heater element, but you still have the pump circulator motor, most of them are about a quarter or a third horse I think, running that for a half an hour or so is still going to draw a few amp hours. (300 watts = about 16 amp hours out of the batteries and into the inverter at 12 volts) Should be able to get within the power limits of the 1500 watt inverter though if you're not running much else at the same time.  Rich Hagen
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
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Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by nothing to lose (nothingtolose175 at yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 22nd, 2004 at 03:25:34 AM MST
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Make one :)
Surely if you can make those great wind gennies you can build a simple dish washer!!

I remember the parents having one of those countertop water facet types in the late 60's or early 70's.

Basically all they were was a box to stand the dishes on a rack, a spinning bar below spraying water upwards at the dishes. Maybe one on top spraying down too, don't remember that for sure. Connect to sink turn on water, pressure of water spraying from the rods was what turned them. Might have been the ends of the rods were bent back so the water comming out drives them forward like a wheel, water jets spraying up.
 They spray at an angle towards the dishes, water presure drives them so if you have high presure and use it they go fast, low presure they go slow.

Maybe some copper tubbing, old presure washer (if wanted), case, and a rack to hold the dishes ($1-$3) and you could build something.

I think the only 2 real tricks would be keeping the case water tight and a spinning rod that does not leak to bad at the bearing for the water supply. Next time I see one at the recyclers I will pick it up and try building this myself. Maybe $3-$5 for the whole thing with all the parts needed to build my own larger unit like this.

I can think of alot of ways to build one, should work and look nice, and be cheap to build and use. Could filter the water and repump it durring the wash cycle to remove the gunk, then drain it and use fresh water for rinse and just let that run out washing the washer out too instead of re-pumping it. Clean the filter like a lint filter for a dryer, or use a fine stainless filter and have spares, toss em in the washer when you do the next load.

Getting into these basic washers it's still kinda manaul, you load and manauly change cycles. But at least you don't have to stand there forever washing one at a time.

 Oh ya, for soap, just make a bottle in the line like the presure washers have to mix it and water, or if using a sump and repumping the wash water toss it in there.

This would be the most effecient probably in terms of water and electric use. Especailly if you repumped it durring wash, leave it run as long as wanted.

 I used to recycle the clothes washers rinse water myself beore I had a well and had to haul water. Will be doing that next year (after winter) again too.
Dump wash water as normal, save rinse water in barrel, use rinse water as wash water next load. It works well, saves water, and uses less electric to pump water from barrel with a hose and small pump than to use the deep wells 220 pump. Just dump the last rinse water of the day, and save the first the next day. Fresh it's fine, does get yucky if you let it sit a few days though. Over night may be ok? Not a week though!!

 
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Spelin and tpying are my strong points, not electronics.



Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by nothing to lose (nothingtolose175 at yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 22nd, 2004 at 03:31:08 AM MST
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Also if you built your own, if you use any pumps on it you could probably use 12Vdc ones, no need to add extra load to the inverter that way unless you just want to.
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nothing to lose

Spelin and tpying are my strong points, not electronics.
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Re: Looking for slim, energy-efficient dishwasher (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Aelric on Mon Mar 7th, 2005 at 08:49:33 AM MST
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just a silly idea, how would the inside armature in a dishwasher that spins be different from say a water sprinkler?  if you put plenty of extra holes in it and increased the pressure and temprature.   Just a thought.

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