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Another Lego alternator... ok... half a Lego alternator


By stop4stuff, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Thu Dec 2nd, 2004 at 05:45:05 AM MST
More DC volts from the same AC volts

Another Lego alternator...
...work in progress...
And more DC volts from AC.

This alternator is based upon repelling magnets mounted in a non-magnetic stator as shown below.
The magnet rotor has 12 1"x1/4"x1/4" neo magnets... max thickness of rotor is 1/4" (~6.125mm)

The alternator will eventually have 2 stators each with 10 coils of 135 turns 28SWG enamelled wire.
The coils are aranged in a 5 phase configuration, with 2 coils per phase.

The idea being that the alternator will end up something like this;

The stator is formed of 4 layers of 2mm thick acrylic sheet glued together (plastic ply ;), which is then carved with small bit on a dremel. I found that once the bit had heated up (due to friction) that it cut real easy thru the plastic.

The coils were glued into place with gap filling CA glue, whilst being compressed. The result, an 8mm thick more-or-less-dead-flat stator with nothing filling the middles of the coils (cooling advantage :)

Mounted into my test rig, made of Lego, I soldered everything up.

The gap is under 1mm (1/24").

So far so good...

...A while ago on fieldlines there was mention of 'schottky diodes' having a much lower voltage drop... I rescued some from an old monitor (or maybe PC board... salvaged alot of components recently and forget).
...A good resource for identifiying 'rescued components' is http://www.alldatasheet.com

Could the advatages of a Schottky diode be utilised?

Yep :)

I hooked up a schottky diode with a couple of regular diodes to make a bridge rectifier (left) and put this on one phase... the regular rectifier on another.

And tested the open voltage output.
The center meter shows the AC voltage (4.87v), the left meter shows the schottky rectifier DC open volts (4.19v) and the right meter open DC volts using a regular rectifier (3.77v).

(BTW the schottky diode is rated 10A/200v)

The difference between the schottky diode setup and regular rectifier is around 0.4v no matter the rpm...

not alot...

...but using a 5 phase setup this equates to an extra 2v at any given rpm, worth thinking about for a lower cut-in speed and less wasted volts.

more to do and learn yet...

having fun :))
paul

Another Lego alternator... ok... half a Lego alternator | 4 comments (4 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Another Lego alternator... ok... half a Lego a (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by mlz (mike[at]m-l-z[dot]com) on Thu Dec 2nd, 2004 at 01:57:11 PM MST
(User Info) http://www.anderson-research.info

Looks cool.  Does anyone know of a schottky that can handle 40+ amps?  Or would one just have to build an array of them?



Re: Another Lego alternator... ok... half a Lego a (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by baggo (baggo@copperstream.co.uk) on Thu Dec 2nd, 2004 at 02:14:19 PM MST
(User Info) http://www.baggo.copperstream.co.uk

Hi Paul,

I did a similar test of Schottky versus conventional diodes as bridge rectifiers. With an input of 10.5 volts AC and a load taking 0.5 Amps I got an increase in output of 0.8 volts with the Schottky bridge. There should also be less heat dissipation with the Schottkys due to the lower voltage drop.

For mlz: RS components have Schottky diodes up to 400 Amp rating but they are rather expensive! The 50 Amp ratings are reasonably priced though.

John



Re: Another Lego alternator... ok... half a Lego a (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by mlz (mike[at]m-l-z[dot]com) on Thu Dec 2nd, 2004 at 07:29:05 PM MST
(User Info) http://www.anderson-research.info

Thanks John, like I say, a lot of my grey matter has been disappearing.  Stuff I knew like the back of my hand seems to have been misplaced in the brain.  :)  Thanks for the reference.  

Incidentally, this is one of the reasons I frequent this board.  I can't try everything, so it's nice to see what others come up with.

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Re: Another Lego alternator... ok... half a Lego a (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by baggo (baggo@copperstream.co.uk) on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 02:42:58 AM MST
(User Info) http://www.baggo.copperstream.co.uk

Hi mlz,

I did a bit more research on the RS site. The only problem I can forsee is that the maximum reverse voltage on a lot of Shottkys tends to be a bit low i.e. around the 50 volt mark so you would have to watch the AC input voltages. Also a lot of the packages contain two diodes with a common cathode which makes it difficult to construct a bridge rectifier with them. I haven't managed to find any ready made Schottky bridge rectifiers yet.

John

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