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need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator


By picmacmillan, Section Remote Living
Posted on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 11:38:15 PM MST
what parts do i need to regulate the idle on a coleman generator

hello all.......i have been wondering how i can lower the idle on my coleman generator 6250 watts....i have seen generators like the honda that idle real low until you put a load on them and then they rev up.....does anyone know what the part i need is called or if there is such a thing for a coleman....mine runs wide open all the time and i can't stand the noise.......thanks....pickster
need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator | 10 comments (10 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by mlz (mike[at]m-l-z[dot]com) on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 06:13:32 PM MST
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I think your looking for an idle control.  Not sure if there is something aftermarket, but should be easy to come up with something to detect a load on the head and then pull the engine speed up.



Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Paulm on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 06:39:59 PM MST
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Something to monitor output voltage.Regulate 120vac. When loaded,voltage drops, speed must go up.



Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by RC in FL on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 07:31:25 PM MST
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First, what is the model and does it come equipped with idle control?  If it does it will have a switch to turn it on or off.  Having the ability to disable it is a must.

Idle control is done by current sense.  This is usually an inductive pickup current sensor feeding an electronic control that controls the gas throttle.  

Second, idle control is intended for usage like construction sites where electric hand saws, and such are used.  These are brush type motors and are okay with the voltage and frequency ramp up associated with generator idle control.

I would not recommend using generator idle control to run syncronous motors like refridgerators or window air conditioners.  They have high starting current and don't usually like the voltage/frequency ramp up associated with a generator idle control.

Be careful about messing with the generator governor speed control unless you have access to a frequency counter to reset it back to a 60 Hz speed (or some other tachometer method to set engine speed to 3600 rpm for most gas generators)



Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by John II (jjones2(at)inetvisions.net) on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 07:32:49 PM MST
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Tie a string to the throttle lever, run it through the smaller knot hole on the shed, string it across the picket fence to the house, through another knot hole in the wall, then tie a corn cob to it. Just pull on it when you need to go to full rpm. See.... that's not really so hard !

Seriously though..  A year ago I spent considerable time on the internet trying to find this solution to my own generator and the only thing I found was the repair schematics to a commercial version, it used a cpu and a very complicated circuit. I think by now I have misplaced that info as well.

It really does look like there ought to be a simple way of accomplishing that. When the generator is idling, it's going to need a voltage injected into the line to sense a load. When it senses a load, it's going to need a current transformer or sensor inductor to detect if the load is still present while it is driving the load. I suspect someone with Stamp or PIC skills would have a ball with this.

John II



Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by walsdos on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 09:43:33 PM MST
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I know bad comments are frowned on ....so.... Coleman generators tend to be throw away. Our local repair shop always has a collection awaiting attention!!



Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by aomoore3 (email form at www.alton-moore.net) on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 12:30:19 AM MST
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Good comments by "RC in FL".

Maybe rig up a solenoid from a car carburetor?  The kind that increases the idle speed when the a/c is turned on?

To activate that, anything to measure current would do.  Maybe a foot of #18 wire as a shunt, with a small hobby/audio transformer across it, could be adjusted to produce a volt or two in the secondary, which could be rectified and used to turn on an op amp or transistor, that would then activate the coil and increase the speed of the unit.

There are solutions that don't require a transformer, but there is often one kicking around, and isolating the control circuit from the AC line can be a problem without one.
Alton Moore http://www.alton-moore.net



Re: need help (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by John II (jjones2(at)inetvisions.net) on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 07:55:40 PM MST
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Im back with a final thought. You could put a remote control on it though, so that you could flip a switch from a remote location and bring it up to full throttle. It could be as simple as a relay switching  a servo motor that has micro switch stroke limit stops on it. That wouldn't be as nice as totally automatic throttle control, but would be the next best thing.

John II



Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by zmoz on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 08:20:27 PM MST
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Does this engine even have a throttle control? I know alot of the cheaper generators don't, they just run at WOT until they die. You'd probably need a new carb if this was the case, along with some sort of servo. I imagine you could find something meant for radio control cars that will move the throttle for you, since they often have weed eater engines in them.



Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by silverbug2004 on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 10:41:25 PM MST
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Go to your local welder repair shop.

Just about all gas or deisel welders have a function to speed up under load.




Re: need help to lower r.p.m. on walmart generator (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by weldingrodd on Sun Dec 5th, 2004 at 06:36:28 AM MST
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What is needed is called a "govenor spring" or govenor ajdustment
Bring it a competent power equipment dealer and they will tell you if its just an ajustment that is need or possibly a new govenor spring  or a linkage adjustment. Most of these small engines use a tension/air flow/ to pull throttle open to maintain rpm.
If its an engine such as a briggs and stratton there are hundreds of  linkage spring combinations to choose from.
A rule of thumb for intial adjustment on some engines is when engine is off just enough tension on spring to pull open throttle plate. Adjusting this tension gives rpm change(some engines you can do this some you cant) Thats why best to find a good repair shop for power equipment.
Also maybe the generator has to maintain a certain speed to avoid problems with loads ,current drops ,increases or burnouts.
I think your gen can be adjusted but I dont think your going get it to te point that its instant on demand rpm increase



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