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My pool heater


By Coolluke, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Sun Feb 29, 2004 at 10:01:05 PM MST
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Just thought I would see if anyone can see any trouble with the system I'm building? http://www3.telus.net/teeoff/solar
My pool heater | 12 comments (12 topical)

Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#1)
by Norm on Mon Mar 01, 2004 at 07:54:22 AM MST

Unfortunately my glass cutting skills were never any good but still I tried cutting the first piece on my own. The first two cuts went great but the third cut to square off the top was a disaster.
   I'm not very good either (I see those left-over pieces....) Take them and practice practice your glass-cutting skills, when it don't go right take a good look and see what you did wrong...clean the glass real good where you are going to cut and never retrace your first cut!
           Professionals make it look so easy don't they?
             Fun, fun, fun, (sound of glass breaking...)         ( :>) Norm.
( :>) Norm


Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#5)
by wooferhound on Mon Mar 01, 2004 at 05:13:37 PM MST

I saw a "How To" on TV about Glass cutting. One of the things that they were saying it was important to break the glass INSTANTLY after scoring the surface, or the break would deviate from the mark.

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Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#2)
by robotmaker on Mon Mar 01, 2004 at 08:50:36 AM MST

Cool Luke,
I've seen what you have done so far, and looks like you have done a good job...but....from the looks of the snow you have there, I doubt seriously if that one panel is going to give you the energy you need to heat that pool.  I put up a heat exchanger to heat my pool last year to effectively do the same thing as you...extend the season.  It is three 4 x 20 ' panels of vinyl mat and on a very sunny day, only get 2 degrees max of differential from input to output. Of course, if it does this all day long, it eventually warms the water up quite nicely.  Using your one panel, may result in some disappointment...
Without going thru all the calculations of BTU's and co-efficients of thermal conductivity, I am afraid you will have to add more than that one panel bub...

just my 2 cents.
rj



Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#3)
by Coolluke on Mon Mar 01, 2004 at 09:42:22 AM MST

Hi RJ I have to admit I'm building this project on a wing and a prayer, I've done quite a bit of reading on the net and I know that they recommend building the panel to be 50% of the pool surface, I would need a panel 16'X 16', the box will hold two coils one on top of the other, I'm hopping that that will be equivalent to a box 8' X 16' which is 25% of the pool, although I have the room to build another coil I'm hopping that I'll be able to get enough heat out of this one alone. I have 500 ft. of one inch poly drip sitting outside waiting to go into the box, (just waiting for the weather to warm up enough so I can paint) and I've been looking at my figures and I think I'll be able to squeeze another 200 ft. into it. As for the snow yes we do get quite a bit of the stuff over 100 inches a year, but it'll be all gone by early April and we do get some very nice summer weather from May through Sept. nice as in mid 70s to high 90s, it's hard to believe it gets that nice here when your looking at the pictures of the snow. So am I right thinking two coils in the same box will equal double the square footage?

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Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#4)
by Homebrewed12vdc on Mon Mar 01, 2004 at 03:47:48 PM MST

I think you would find it would work better if you had a setup of cross flow pipes instead of a coiled up mess in the box like your diagram shows, think how a raidator works in a car, I justy think there well be great losses by shadows created by coilin pipes over each other.



Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#6)
by Norm on Mon Mar 01, 2004 at 07:01:08 PM MST

  Have you ever thought of a large dark roof with southern exposure, a soaker hose at the peak, the eaves draining into your pool, (thru a filter of course), a recirculating pump driven by a small pumper windmill? Surprising how warm it gets.
              Norm
( :>) Norm


Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#7)
by veewee77 on Mon Mar 01, 2004 at 09:02:20 PM MST

Would it have been better to have left the glass intact (double-pane is better for insulation purposes) and made the collector to fit it?



Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#8)
by robotmaker on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 08:37:33 AM MST

Actually, I have seen good results of just running some pipe in your attic.  Imagine how hot it gets up there without the exhaust fans running.



Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#9)
by Coolluke on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 09:57:40 AM MST

Hey Homebrewed I'm going with the coil design account I'll be able to get at least twice the amount of tubing in the box, also everything I've read suggests that I want a smooth flow of water, with a cross flow method as you suggest I would have numerous 90 degree joints on my pipe which would increase the head pressure. As for the coiled mess in my diagram that's just my bad artwork. When it's in the box it'll be very neat tight coils from the outside of the box, to the center and then back out to the edge, there will be a ½ inch space between the pipes in the coil to allow some movement of air between the coils, this will also allow some sunlight to hit the bottom coil, I'm hopping it's enough? Hey Norm The reason I'm building a box for my back yard is I don't want to walk on my roof, it's getting to the end of it's life and I'm hopping to be able to get a couple of more years out of it. Also my roof doesn't get enough direct sunlight, acc. of trees. I have looked into a DC powered pump and a solar cell but the cost to set it up right now is beyond my budget. I am starting to wonder if it's worth while to run the back coil, will it receive enough radiant heat from the box to pick up anything at all? Also I've been kicking around insulating the back side of the box, will this bring up the efficiency of my box at all? Thanks for all the input guys As I said I'm building this thing on a wing and a prayer:) Clear skies

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Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#10)
by Gordy on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 10:57:20 AM MST

Coolluke,

From what I've read on a number of solar heating sites, your idea of a long run coils is not recomended. Though easier to build, the water wants to adhere or stick to the sides of the tubing. On long runs this makes the pump work harder, useing more elec. power and posibly shortening the pumps life. Also the long runs will give you higher output temps but lower output flow rates of water.

What they recomend is the cross flow design, with the cross tubes hoked up in paralel NOT in series. Picture it like a car radiator, with the cross tubes hooked into the end tanks (manifolds).

It sounds like your going to pump pool water through your collector. The cross flow design will be alot easier to drain, when shut down for winter (in freezing climates). Especialy if the cross tubes are mounted verticaly and the manifolds are slanted 5 to 10 degreas to help drian all of the water out.

Good luck,
Gordy

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Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#11)
by wooferhound on Tue Mar 02, 2004 at 02:27:50 PM MST

How to Build a Solar Hot Water System
http://www.jc-solarhomes.com/how_to.htm


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Re: My pool heater (none / 0) (#12)
by RatOmeter on Wed Mar 03, 2004 at 10:15:13 AM MST

From your web site:

I figured I would be able to get twelve pieces out of this window, that was till the three of us picked it up and as we were carrying it to the truck the damn thing broke.

You ever seen the trucks in town or on the highway that carry glass?  They always carry the glass in a near vertical (on edge) position with flat supports along one face.  That's to keep most of the forces on the glass in the stronger dimension.  Carrying large pieces of glass, even (especially?) when it take several people to move it, should be done on-edge too.  If you get 4 guys, one on each corner, carrying a large window, it'll want to flex (which glass doesn't do too well) and increase the likelihood of breaking.

It's best to cart, carry and store glass on its long edge.

-RatOmeter



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