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By bob g, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 08:36:09 PM MST
where are all the alternate energy books?

As one that is constantly on the hunt for anything and everything related to alternate energy, and its practical application, i am somewhat at a loss for something i recently discovered.

on a trip to one of the large book stores i ran a search on alternative energy and got the following results.

  1. titles,,, wow! but wait
  2. are no longer in print, and the only two that are are on hydrogen power applications, and look to be more along the lines of PHD material.
which begs the question, is the market so small that no one wants to fill the niche?

i have many books written back in the 70's, and all sorts of ancient books going back to the turn of the century on a variety of subjects.  What i am wondering is why are there not any books written on the subject currently, or should i say damned few of them?

would seem to me with the plethora of parts available today that werent available 30 plus years ago, there should be alot of info that could be incorporated into books on the subject. We now have all sorts of efficient inverters, neo magnets, SCR's , TRIAC's alternators, motors, and the list goes on and on... much more to work with, and all sorts of interesting projects going on all over the world but so little published outside of large commercial concerns.

hmmmmm, perhaps it is the large commercial concerns that have their collective foot on this market.. i wonder?

any thoughts on this one guys?  any current titles that you guys like?

maybe it is time to learn how to publish :)

bob g

books? | 10 comments (10 topical)

Re: books? (none / 0) (#1)
by Norm on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 09:42:34 PM MST

   Yes it does seem that way I remember back in the '70's there were all sorts of projects you could do in Popular Science, Popular Mechanics, Mechanics Illustrated etc. now you have to rely on Lindsay Publications and Mother Earth News .
Ah Well....(sigh)  Norm.
( :>) Norm


Re: books? (none / 0) (#2)
by kurt on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 12:16:38 AM MST

http://www.wondermagnets.com/cgi-bin/edatcat/WMSstore.pl?user_action=category&category=Books


IRC inst.
just a personal rant carry on.


Re: books? (none / 0) (#5)
by Gordy on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 11:00:51 AM MST

 If you haven't already, check out  http://www.homepower.com  . They have a number of books , vidios , CD's. For sale through them or from addvertisers. It' a good read, witha good mix of RE options and how to's.

Check it out if you like it you can down load the current issues, they come out once every to months. And if you realy like it you can order some back issues, or their complete back issue library on CD.

Gordy

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Re: books? (none / 0) (#3)
by Wolfie1 on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 06:47:46 AM MST

Hi Bob. I'm a kind-of a collector of those seventies books as well. May I offer a few observations.

First I would say that the seventies were a different time than today. More people were concerned about future energy needs after the oil shock than they are today. The reality is that the problem is worse today than it was then but people don't think that way.

Secondly there seems to be a general dumming down of most commonly available books and magazines. A few weeks ago, someone posted a scan from either Popular Science or Popular Mechanics (don't remember which). I don't remember exactly how old it was but the article was filled with equations and science. You will not find any article like that in a popularist magagine. Popular Science today has effectively turned into a 'futurest' magazine. It sems to be only concerned with which new 'toy' you will be able to buy tomorrow and has zero science in it. Most of the AE books of the nineties were similarly dummed down to the level of first you buy box A, then you buy box B etc. None of the books attempt to explain how box A does its magic.

Another thing is the issue of liability. No one wants to tell you to put up your own tower incase you fall and sue them. No one wants to tell you to make your own inverter incase you electrocute yourself. It doesn't seem that there are any large publishers out there (and only large publishers can afford to sell to the large book stores) that want to risk a good hands-on book.

Finally, it seems that the people that you would most like to publish books are currently hosting web pages, posting on OTHERPOWER.COM and don't want the hassle of going through the 'old' methods to get their ideas out there.

Martin.



Re: books? (none / 0) (#4)
by RatOmeter on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 07:58:10 AM MST

On the dumbing down, I hear you loud and clear.

My father saved his Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines from about 1944 to somewhere in the 1950s.  Especially after WWII ended, both magazines were filled with DIY articles and features.  Tube radio projects, homemade gadgets and also futuristic stuff that never came to be (I'm still waiting for my flying car).  In fact, someone here recently asked about generating electricity from thermocouples and it reminded my of an article in one of those post-war era mags on that very topic.  IIRC, it showed a drawing of a kerosene heater with fins of thermocouples all around it powering what I don't know.

We still have most of those old magazines.  Maybe I oughta look them over again.

-RatOmeter

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Re: books? (none / 0) (#6)
by rhud on Wed Feb 04, 2004 at 09:00:19 PM MST

remember when mother earth news had plans for a solar boiler with a briggs engine modified to a steam engine.  each mec illistrated had drawings to make all kinds of stuff.  now it basically all information on some item that you can purchase either now or in the future.  the old magizines are gold.  if you could get around the copyright laws.  face it most of the ae books written are light overview of different systems.  you get the impression that a guy read a few books on ae systems, then wrote a new book on ae systems. very few with "this is how i did it" books.  one of my favorites, because it had some plans in it:Producing your own power Rodale Press inc isbn 0-87857-088-8  



Re: books? (none / 0) (#7)
by hvirtane on Thu Feb 05, 2004 at 10:16:52 AM MST

I agree, in my opinion, too
old literature was better.
But please see as well below
my thoughts about
'Homepower' and 'Soft Technology'.

In Finland they made a book called
'Kodin taitosanakirja' ('The Home Skill Book'),
which contains thousands
(the later edition had about 3700 entries)
of descriptions how to make
all kinds of toys, how to build
full-size boats, houses, furnitures
and ovens for your house,
how to fix your bicycle,
how to make paint,
how to make yourself glue,
how to make a small windmill...
and so on.
The first edition came out 1930.
There were other smaller books of its kind,
which told you how to make
even lead acid batteries yourself,
how make a radio and so on.

I've got also a pile of
'Popular Mechanics' magazines
from the end on 1950s.
They are really nice.  

I've got as well some cds
from the Homepower and from
the Australian magazine 'Soft Technology'.
They are really good.
Maybe not much worse than 'Popular Mechanics'
from 1950s?

I think that these two magazines have
already shown us a way to go.
We could easily publish here
on this site rough drawings
of our own technologies.
And then we could arrange a system
to edit those things on a cd,
which anybody could buy...

We need to arrange a system how to do it.
We already have got good technologies,
at least wind turbines.

The system might work somehow similarly as
'open source' code guys
have made computer programs?

We need different kinds of people.
Such people, who are skillful
to make and design things,
as well such kind of people,
who are fast to make
good illustrations and drawings.
(You know, people like JCP.)

Please see another thread here:
Beta testers required - Meter Dial program
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/2/3/191649/8833

- Hannu



Re: books? (none / 0) (#8)
by Gordy on Thu Feb 05, 2004 at 11:48:06 AM MST

Hi All,

Another thing about Home Power Mag, for thoughs of you who can design and build some thing new and usefull for the RE feild, or inprove something old, Once you have it finalised and working, write up an a story about it with pic's and drawings. Then send it to them, they will have to decide if it has merit or not. If it does get printed you get your 15 minets of fame, and more importantly the satisfaction of knowing that you have helped others to make a differance on the planet. By reaching a wider audiance (if you will) than posting here alone.

Look through their Mag and web site for instructions on how to contribute.

Gordy

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Re: books? (none / 0) (#9)
by hardwired on Fri Feb 06, 2004 at 09:23:52 AM MST

I just picked up SUNSPOTS used from Amazon.com it has stuff on Thermal mass, Engines, insulated blinds etc, mostly a primer for house design for off grid living.  I'm pretty sure that's were Michael Reynolds from the Earthship design got most of his starting info based on the simularity of the book and his thermal mass description in his first book. It's no longer in print but still valid IMHO, I'm planning on building the Diving Engine after reading it and not the Mintos Wheel now, well I'll probably still build a Mintos Wheel but not this year.

James



Re: books? (none / 0) (#10)
by Gordy on Fri Feb 06, 2004 at 04:11:00 PM MST

James,

I went to Amazon .com and did a search for Sunspots, got alot of hits for music, lawn ordements,and books. Could you give a little more info, Like the authors name . To help narrow the seach down.

Thanks ,
Gordy

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