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new 14 inch rotors finished


By electronbaby, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 10:25:29 AM MST
Here is what I finished up this weekend...

and I ran into a problem. I hopefully took care of the problem. Here is what I finished up this weekend. These are 14" rotors to be used in my new 16' diameter prop 24V machine. These use the same magnets DanB used in his 14' machine not too long ago. I am using .5" steel for the rotors. I cut them out of a sheet of steel and weld them together. I then drill out the center hole and all lug holes. The front rotor gets three additional holes threaded for the jacking bolts used to raise and lower the front rotor. Here is how the discs look after I clean them up on the lathe and sandblast them.

This is how it looks after its sandblasted. I think sandblasting the rotors prior to gluing, helps the glue stick better to the steel. Here you can also see the jacking bolt holes. I drilled and tapped these for 7/16" bolts. I think its adequate for raising the rotors. The magnets are very strong.


Here is the lugs I cut out of 5/8" allthread. I made them 8" long just to be sure because I am using thicker steel rotors than Dan used. Volvo hubs come in two sizes. The newer cars come with 1/2" lugs and the older ones with 5/8". I like the 5/8" because I feel its alot more sturdy and when it comes time for the hub assembly, its an easy job to drill out the 1/2" hub to 5/8".


Here is how I align my magnets. I take an aluminum ruler to substitute the steel one usually found in the square because it wont be attracted to the magnets and I wont be fighting it to get a measurement. :-) I basically glue all the magnets on the back rotor and then assemble the front rotor facing up and just transfer the alignment over to the front rotor. I make a pencil mark and then use a transfer punch to mark it on the outside edge. The marks and surface are cleaned off prior to gluing with acetone. After the magnets are placed roughly, I go around and use spacers between each magnet to make sure I have them all spaced evenly.


another shot of the alignment process.


Here, both rotors are ready for casting. All magnets, front and rear are aligned and glued. Again, all exposed surfaces are cleaned and scrubbed with acetone to remove any oils and to make it easy for the resin to stick. These magnets needed to be cleaned very good prior to gluing because I think there was some sort of residue from the plating process left on them. Not a big deal.

Here both rotors are cleaned and ready for resin casting. I used coffee cans to form the interior dam. It makes for a quick and easy pour. I bolted them down with the lug bolts and jacking screws to make a water tight seal so the resin would not leak out. I use duct tape on the outer edge as a dam. Resin is then mixed up and poured between the magnets.

Here is how they look after the resin cures. The coffee cans make for a very clean edge. Use the plastic cans because they can be bent in and removed easily.

This is what happens when you cure the resin too fast. It breaks when the temperature changes. If you try this, make sure you mix for a slow cure time (25-30 mins). This allows the resin to not cure so brittle. It was easy to fix this. I broke out the cracked pieces, cleaned it well, applied crazy glue to everything (this made me feel better hehe) and mixed up more resin (slower cure time of course) and repoured. hopefully this will not be a problem in the future, but time will tell.

Here is where Im at now. Its all assembled and ready for testing in the lathe. If you look in the vice, you can see the new hub I made to allow me to spin these in the lathe easily, without having to use a volvo hub. I have to order more magnet wire before I proceed with any further tests because Im running out. Ill be placing an order Dan!!  :-P

Have fun!!
RoyR

new 14 inch rotors finished | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#1)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 10:36:11 AM MST
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Looks great Roy!  So your next step should be kinda like this:
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2003/12/8/82054/7361

Your ahead of us, weve not started our 16' yet, but is may be almost identical....  got sidetracked with springtime, broken motorcycles... and other fun projects.

Can't wait to hear what you come up with for windings...  
My bet is about 50 windings of #12 per coil and a stator that's 1/2" thick for the 24 volt setup.  If its like mine, about 10-12 pounds of wire.

I have a feeling, at 24 volts - this will be much more impressive than my 12 volt 14' version.



Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#2)
by electronbaby (roy<at>windsine.org) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 10:45:12 AM MST
(User Info) http://www.windsine.org

Thanks Dan. Its not feeling like spring here yet hahaha  (here in Long Island, NY)  but hopefully soon :-P  Im thinking Im gonna try to fit 50 turns of 14AWG (2 strands)and see how much room it takes up. Maybe i can fit 12AWG. Im not quite sure yet. Ill have to wait and see. I hopefully should get around to playing with coils within the next day or two.  :-)  Have you ever had resin crack on you like that??.. it was strange.  Have fun with all the spring time projects!!    

RoyR
Have Fun!! RoyR KB2UHF
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Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#3)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 10:56:03 AM MST
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Hi Roy - if you can run w/2 strands of #14, that'd probably better... (thats like #11).

Mine is 24 windings of 4 strands of #14 (like #9) - its for 12 volts.  And.. it stalled, and I had to open up the airgap, which makes me think that the same forumala could be used for a slightly larger prop.

Ive never had resin crack like that.. mine setup kind of slow.  When I did mine though, I didn't mix any talc or anything with the resin, and it shrank slightly, although it did not appear to seperate from the metal or the magnets anywhere.  

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Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#4)
by Dave B on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 11:21:03 AM MST
(User Info) http://users.netsync.net/~bruggelog

That's going to be a pretty serious machine. Maybe a strange question but, why fill in with resin on the rotors ? Seems like alot of additional weight and fuss. Peace of mind ? I can't believe with epoxy glue holding magnets of that size to begin with that they can go anywhere, maybe I'm wrong. Dave B.



Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#5)
by electronbaby (roy<at>windsine.org) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 11:31:02 AM MST
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Dave, its really for peace of mind i guess :-P  They are glued down pretty good, I just didnt want to take any chances, and this is how Ive always done my rotors, even with smaller (disc)magnets. These magnets are huge and expensive and I jut didnt want to run the risk of them vibrating loose. I am however concerned with the expansion and shrinkage of the steel rotor. Maybe since Ive used such a thick disc, it is more prone to expansion or shrinkage due to temperature(I doubt this) but I have been thinking about it. I like to think it cracked because my resin cured too fast, but like I said, time will tell. I cant wait to get started on the coils and have some real data for you guys. A machine this large is a really fun project. :-)

Have fun!!
RoyR
Have Fun!! RoyR KB2UHF
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Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#7)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 02:12:53 PM MST
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One more minor reason to cast resin around them...
(it looks cool!!)

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Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#6)
by Dave B on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 11:46:12 AM MST
(User Info) http://users.netsync.net/~bruggelog

Thanks for the reply. I guess all I could think of was that resin cracking away and rattling around causing drag or possibly wedging the magnets out of position. I'm anxious to see your numbers on this machine. Who's the first to an 18' machine ? Dave B.



Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#8)
by John II (jjones2(at)inetvisions.net) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 02:22:58 PM MST
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That is one splended looking job ! Something to be proud of for sure !

John II



Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#9)
by PaulUK on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 04:12:13 PM MST
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Have you tried epoxy? You can get slow hardeners that take hours to cure.



Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#10)
by Nando (nando37-at-tx-dot-rr-dot-com Correct theanti-spam) on Mon Mar 22nd, 2004 at 09:00:52 PM MST
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Roy;
Great JOB you have done. Congratulations.

Can you tell me where did you get the magnets ( Web Page please ) and how much did you pay for them ?.

I do not come here often, please email me, address below, correct spams protection

Thanks

Nando
nando37-at-comcast-dot-net



Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#11)
by electronbaby (roy<at>windsine.org) on Tue Mar 23rd, 2004 at 08:03:33 AM MST
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Nando, I got the mags from DanB from Otherpower (www.wondermagnets.com). They were a one shot deal and I dont think he has any more for sale (but im not sure). He had them specially made for some projects he was (is) working on and there were only a certain amount of them (very few) available. They were expensive. Im sure if you posted a comment on the board to his attention asking him about them, he would be able to give you more info.

Have Fun!!
RoyR
Have Fun!! RoyR KB2UHF
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Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#12)
by Frank Lussier on Tue Mar 23rd, 2004 at 09:45:53 AM MST
(User Info) http://www.junkyardsolar.com

Hi Nando
You can buy them at http://www.windstuffnow.com/main/builders_corner.htm
the price is $96 usd for 16 magnets or $6.50 usd each.

Thanks
Frank

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Re: new 14 inch rotors finished (none / 0) (#13)
by electronbaby (roy<at>windsine.org) on Tue Mar 23rd, 2004 at 09:58:26 AM MST
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just to clarify Frank, the mags Im using in this machine are the size that 16 of them fit together to form a ring 14" outer diameter and 8" inner diameter. they are 1/2" thick. They are NdFeB.
Have Fun!! RoyR KB2UHF
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