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Rectifiers - What can they handle in the real world...?


By xeroid, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Tue Mar 30, 2004 at 11:09:24 AM MST
Diodes and rectifiers seem to overstate actual capacity...

I have come to understand that the capacity ratings for diodes and bridges seems to be WAY overstated in general.

Say for example a 200V, 35A bridge.  Let's assume it is well heat sinked (heat sunk?).  What voltage and amperage can it actually handle in the REAL WORLD, lab conditions to one side?

Rectifiers - What can they handle in the real world...? | 4 comments (4 topical)

Re: Rectifiers - the real world...? (none / 0) (#1)
by Nando on Tue Mar 30, 2004 at 11:27:41 AM MST

The specifications do read right BUT they are for 25 degrees Celsius, then you need to determine what is the running temperature to define the de-rating of the device.

Checking the specifications one can see that the current has to be reduced from about 40 to 50 degrees onward and the current re-rating goes to ZERO (0) at or about 110 degrees celsius ( at the junction of the device)-- many may go higher like 175 C, but the life will be shorted a lot ( this values I mentioned were the ones used for military equipment).
The voltage also needs to de re-rated.

Nando



Re: Rectifiers - What can they handle (none / 0) (#2)
by drdongle on Tue Mar 30, 2004 at 04:06:46 PM MST

Keep in mind the information that really tells the story is the max wattage the device is rated for. An example would be a power transistor rated for 200 volts, 3 amps, and 100 watts. The voltage limit of 200 and the amps limit of 3 might lead you to think that it will handle 600 watts but not so. it would handle 200 volts at .5 (1/2) amps or 3 amps at 33 volts. The power handling capability ( in this case 100 watts) it the critical limiting factor. You can have any combination of voltage and current(IxE)that in sum does not exceeded 100 watt maximum rating.
The wattage is related to the ability of the device to dissipate heat that is generated internally when the device is in operation. The previously mentioned ambient temperature plays into this as the higher the local air temp the harder it is for the device to pass the internally generated heat to the air, conversely the lower the air temp ( the greater the differential) the better the devices ability to dissipate its heat.

Dr.D
Carpe Vigor, Dr.D



Re: Rectifiers - What can they handle in the real (none / 0) (#3)
by RobD on Tue Mar 30, 2004 at 05:00:14 PM MST

Also don't forget the importance of the peak inverse voltage PIV which I double the rated voltage in my designs. For instance a 25 volt circuit I figure 50 PIV and use a 100 volt diode just to be sure.
RobD



Re: Rectifiers - What can they handle in the real (none / 0) (#4)
by dozer on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 08:37:09 PM MST


The maximum power rating of virtually all power-semiconductors is based on it being mounted on what's called an "infinite heatsink".

In a test-lab, this is generally a 1/4" thick copper plate with water-cooling coils brazed across the bottom side.

This eliminates the heatsink as an issue, and the device's limit is then determined by the thermal-resistance between the die (chip) and the external package surface (i.e. backside of a TO-220).

Basically, they run the current up until the internal die temp is at it's rated maximum, and that's the current-rating they assign to the part.

You have to understand that power-semi ratings are a marketing game ("specmanship"), and have historically been pretty optimistic.

As far as being able to "run" a part at it's rated power, the scenario another member described is only valid for "linear" i.e. dissipative operation.

In fact, in switching mode, you can easily -control- much more power than the "maximum dissipation" rating of the device.

The example given, a 100-watt, 3-amp 200-volt part, may well be able to switch 3 amps on and off in a 200v circuit.  It would then indeed be controling 600 watts...and doing it with likely much -less- than 100 watts dissipation.

As far as current-ratings go...in general, it is very difficult to use more than about half the rated current of most parts.  And as mentioned already, you usually run up against a thermal limit before anything else.  Especially with TO-220 packages.

With larger devices, especially large stud-packages and hockey-pucks, because of the much larger surface-area, you can safely run a lot closer to the device's ratings.

In regards to using rectifiers of a much higher PIV than the circuit requires....that practice gives up some efficiency.  Whether it's important or not depends on your application and voltage level; but bear in mind that the higher the PIV rating, the higher the on-state voltage will be.  If you're dealing with a 6 volt circuit, an extra 1 or 2 tenths of a volt can be several % of loss right there.  In a bridge circuit, you'd have twice that additional loss; since there are -two- diodes in series with the load.

hope this helps...  



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