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Solar powered ammonia absorption air conditioning


By dave123, Section Remote Living
Posted on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 11:43:43 AM MST
works for RV refrigerators, do it with a solar collector on a larger scale?

Did not see much on this topic after a search of this board.  Here is a good link on the subject.

http://www.nh3tech.org/absorption.html

The RV and off-grid refrigerators can cool your food with the output of a small propane flame.  I would think that a larger solar collector would be able to put out enough BTU for this purpose?  After all, your highest need for a/c is during the heat of the day when the sun is beating down.  While it would not work at night, one could then supplement the propane heat if needed.

It seems to me that the same principles could be scaled up for HVAC needs of an RV or cabin.  The biggest obstacle I can see is that, to make this system work without the use of a pump, location of the components is critical to allow gravity to do the work for you.  Doing without a pump would save in complexity, potential leaks, as well as the electricity required to run the pump.  However, the "boiler" (solar collector) would have to be below the evaporator (what cools the room).  I don't know how this could be handled in a pure gravity return system.

Also, I have read of the difficulties of getting the correct charge into the system.  If this was a homebrew, it might get messy in figuring it all out.

Just thinking out loud.

Solar powered ammonia absorption air conditioning | 11 comments (11 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Solar powered ammonia absorption air condition (none / 0) (#1)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 12:28:35 PM MST
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Seems like if the box was well insulated, perhaps the collector to keep a reasonable fridge reasonably cold might not need to be all that large!



Re: Solar powered ammonia absorption air condition (none / 0) (#2)
by veewee77 on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 12:58:26 PM MST
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Here is a link of interest:

http://homepower.com/files/solarice.pdf

Doug



Re: Solar powered ammonia absorption air condition (none / 0) (#4)
by drdongle (Dr.Dongle1@juno.com) on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 05:48:05 PM MST
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MOST COOL!!, this one goes into the "keeper" file!

Dr.D
Carpe Vigor, Dr.D
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Hot stuff (none / 0) (#3)
by wdyasq on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 03:00:42 PM MST
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A company in Austria claims to have plans for building residential size absorbtion units to be powered by solar energy.  They are not interested in supplying plans of information to individuals, according to the letter I got in an inquiry.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen



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by ToddH on Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 11:18:58 PM MST
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Home Power issue 81 has a story on a Servel one. I can cut & paste the article if anyone cares to read the whole story. It's 8 pages long.

What they used was one of these.
http://www.robur.com/Products/Products.html



Re: Solar powered ammonia air conditioning (none / 0) (#6)
by finnsawyer on Sun May 2nd, 2004 at 09:53:13 AM MST
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It seems an ammonia based air conditioning unit would be rather large.  Although farmers use anhydrous ammonia for fertilizer it's not something to be trifled with.  I think the layman might best leave it alone.  If you do decide to use the stuff I'd recommend keeping it outside and use the proper protection.  
GeoM


Re: Solar powered ammonia air conditioning (none / 0) (#7)
by TomW on Sun May 2nd, 2004 at 10:41:14 AM MST
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Folks;

Not to mention purchasing ammonia as a layman will likely get you on a list of suspected meth lab operators.

Weird world we live in.

Cheers.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Solar powered ammonia absorption air conditioning (none / 0) (#8)
by nothing to lose (nothingtolose175 at yahoo.com) on Mon May 3rd, 2004 at 12:30:54 PM MST
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Yes, as always many suffer from the stupidity of a few! Lots of useful stuff you can either not buy now or are suspected of being a drug dealer if you ask for!
I use needles for tons of things, yet I never have or will shoot up drugs, for fun ??
I used insulin type needles to fill inkjet cartriges, remove air bubbles from CD labels, and even lance my own abcessed tooth! I have one really bad toothe that flairs up around the holidays, all thoughs cookies, cakes, candies. One quick poke and a realy nasty toothache is gone untill the next holiday, and I keep the tooth, denists want to pull it instead. Local store won't even sell thoughs neddels now without a prescription? Where do I get a prescription for an inkjet cartrig?

ANyway on the amonia cooling, I think it might have been at homepower.com that I saw a amonia freezer.  LONG pipe filled with the icemelter you get at walmart (icemelter absorbs the amonia), a solar collector to focuse the heat of the sun on the pipe. Tubing ran from pipe into a condesor, from condenser into a tank in an insulated freezer below.

When the sun was good the pipe heated very hot, icemelter released the amonia which flowed to the condenser to cool and become a liquid again and dripped into the tank in the freezer. When the pipe in the sun cooled off the icemelter inside started absorbing the amonia again. So liquid amonia in the freezer tank boiled off into a gas agian taking all heat it could with it back though the system and into the ice melter in the pipe.

I think they said in one complete cycle they would freeze either 10 gal or 10lbs of ice. I forgot if it was 10gal water, or 10lbs ice?

They gave the chemical name for icemelter I think, but I forgot. I beleave they said at 250f the icemelter releases 6 out of 8 amonia molecules.

I remember pretty well the setup they had, but forgot or got fuzzy a bit on some of the specs. I think 10 lbs ice is not alot for a big setup like they had. Although they said if you want to cover the colecter and pipe you can shade it and run the cycle a few times durring the day.

I have been thinking along the lines of this myself. What is the weight of amonia? Would a full cool pipe be heavy enough to lower itself into a heated area? Would the hot pipe be light enough after releasing the amonia to raise out of the heated area on its own? If enough weight is moving back and forth perhaps the pipe could be mounted as a balancing system to raise and lower automatically to run a cycling system durring the day.

My thought was build the solar collector for the pipe, and just above it place a pannel for shade. SO the heavier pipe lowers into the sun and the lighter pipe raises into the shade. The weight of the amonia would be the only variable.
 I think it would work pretty well for a variety of things, even airconditioning and refrigeration for foods.

I beleave amonia can be dangerous, deadly maybe cause blindness, so care should be taken in handling and I would build a unit outside away from people, then pipe in the cold air, water or carry ice. One of my thoughts was to use a water/anti freeze loop to carry the cold to the house. Keep the amonia away from the house and circulate the cold liquid to a radiator in the house likek from an old airconditioner. Then if theres ever a leak in the system it's away from people, not in the house.
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nothing to lose

Spelin and tpying are my strong points, not electronics.



Re: Solar powered ammonia absorption (none / 0) (#9)
by dave123 on Wed May 5th, 2004 at 09:42:27 AM MST
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Good idea, to figure out some automated method to reverse the cycle.  It would be tough to make though.

I was thinking of this for an RV/cabin type of a/c, but once I plug in some figures from the previous article, the BTU doesn't seem too impressive (if I am figuring it right).  

1 BTU is the energy required to raise (lower, in this case) the temp of 1 lb of water 1 degree F, I believe.  The BTU ratings that we are familiar with on furnaces, etc, are actually BTU/hr.  So, if this big arse contraption made 10 lbs of ice in say, 3 hours, and assuming the water was 60F from the tap at the start, the total BTU would be  (60F-32F)*10 = 280.  And this is over say a 3 hour period.  Don't know if I am figuring this right or not?

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Re: Solar powered ammonia absorption (none / 0) (#10)
by icecold on Mon May 24th, 2004 at 02:02:48 PM MST
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Your statement on the amount of heat removed is correct for the sensible heat load. But for the total amount of heat removed we will need to consider the latent (or hidden) heat load of 144 BTUs per pound for water. The corrected equation would be 60F-32F=28, 28+144=172, 172*10=1720BTU. So this would be the total amount of heat required to freeze 10 pounds of water at a starting temperature of 60F.

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Re: Solar powered ammonia absorption air condition (none / 0) (#11)
by dozer on Fri May 28th, 2004 at 05:38:29 PM MST
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ahhh...tomW is so right....you buy just about anything useful these days, and you're instantly on the most-wanted criminal list.  It's pretty stupid.

Anyway, by definition, it's not anhydrous ammonia in the absorption fridge.  It's ammonia in solution.

As far as the "deadly" ammonia...go out to your closest manure pile where the cattle piss...smell that?  Ammonia.  It's all-natural.

Don't get it in your eyes....

My dad and brother are both refrigeration-engineers.  As I understand it, the problem isn't dealing with ammonia, the problem is that the internal physical configuration needs to be "just so" if you want MOST EFFICIENT operation.  That's not to say that a jackpine-savage setup wouldn't work...it just might not be as efficient as a Dometic.  But then, that might not be important if your BTU needs aren't too big...

I look forward to seeing more on this subject; especially documented results of actual tests AND drawings for the device/system tested.  Now THAT would be useful !

Thanks to all who've posted info links already!



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