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Coils questions - My new mill


By Parameter, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 03:12:05 PM MST
My axial mill project - comments welcomed

HI all,
  Here is my first real axial generator in the building phase. I would like to introduce you to the rear disk brake and rotors of the GM cars of the Buick regal family. These are nice and reliable so I guess they should be pretty good for a mill. The mags are quite small on this one but i should get at least 100-150 watts out of the finished mill, maybe more.

Here you see the disk. The diameter is made for small machines but can be enlarged if using front disks with the same standard GM bolts pattern. I have 18 magnets and tough of making a 12 coils but I see they would span too wide for the small magnets.

I get no voltage with this coil arrangement. I know its too high, too much conductor with no magnet and the coil is 1.2 ohms, 40 or so turns of 14 enameled wire. I cleaned the tips of the wire with a dremmel tool. I turned by hand but never had seen the meter do anything. I have 2 more mags to cram in there but it barely fit. Can you guys make comments on the right coils for this applications?

And here is my small coils winder. These side panels will go round pretty soon. I have to make a nice coil form in some plastic piece or molded resin and a calculator counter using a monentary switch from a microwave oven. If it wiggle, I can just screw it in the bench.

Assembled. The black nut at the tip is just a spacer.

well, the car bearing and disk from these gm cars is really cheap and highly available here in canada and in the us. If you use it please send me some feedback.

Para

Coils questions - My new mill | 7 comments (7 topical)

Re: Coils questions - My new mill (none / 0) (#1)
by Hank on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 03:37:32 PM MST

Hi Para,

Perhaps I'm seeing this wrong but it looks like you have the magnets on the wrong side of the disk. You should flip the disk over and place the bagnets on that side. This will give you room for the stator without having interference from the disk hub.
Would appear to me that your coils are a bit on the large side. Coils with the center opening being just a bit larger then the magnets would be a better way to go. The overall size should be such that when one side of the coil is starting to overlap one magnet the other side of the coil should be just coming off a magnet.
Judging from your coil size 40 turns of #14 wire will be a hell of a lot less then 1.2 ohms resistance.
Check out this site it has a wealth of info.
http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments.html

Have fun and keep us posted,
Hank
"There are those that ask why? There are those that ask why not? Then there are the clueless that  are wondering what all the commotion is about"



Re: Coils questions - My new mill (none / 0) (#3)
by Parameter on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 04:21:28 PM MST

they will but for testing the coils i set the magnets on the other side without any glue just for a few spins to decide if those are too small.

OK, so shorter, and less width coils. I tough the 2 legs needed be on the 2 mags at the same time.

Para


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Re: Coils questions - My new mill (none / 0) (#7)
by JB on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 06:32:34 PM MST

From my testing i would say the outside is ok on your coils but the insides can use more wire. What i did was squish it together a little, make the center hole smaller or modify your jig and rewind and give it another test. What size thickness magnets are they. That makes a huge differance. You might want to check out my post from last week. I had about the same amount of wire and Hank chimed in with some good numbers. I wish i had thicker magnets. JB

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coil counter......no need for micro switch (none / 0) (#2)
by Norm on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 04:10:33 PM MST

  Speaking of a counter for a coil-winder go to
http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/titanic/664/id6.htm
    It's one heck of a cheap simple counter all you need is a holder ...a section of broomstick ...drill the hole a little off-center and everytime the high spot comes around it pushes a rod against the =button...advancing it one number....it'll count as fast as you can turn that lil' ol' crank....try it...you'll like it!
           Have fun!
              ( :>) Norm.
BTW  If you ever need micro-switches tho' an old mouse laying around has 2 or 3 of them easier to get to than a microwaves
( :>) Norm


Re: coil counter......no need for micro switch (none / 0) (#4)
by Parameter on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 04:27:45 PM MST

Well, the calculator trick is what I want to do, and since I broken up a lot of microwave lately, I got these momentary switchs which should replace the = button fine. Thanks for the trick on the mouse button switch tough, lot of those around.

Para

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Re: coil counter......no need for micro switch (none / 0) (#6)
by Norm on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 04:50:27 PM MST

  Well if you want to go the wire into the switch bit...dunno if you've had a $1 calculator apart lately, but the printed circut is just that... a printed circuit of conductive ink, can't solder a wire onto it but laying a fine bare wire onto the particular part of the circuit and a small strip of scotch tape does it pretty good...if you goof...cost you a buck more to try again. or else you could use a small solenoid to press the = button, instead...all kinda ways...... ( :>) Norm.
( :>) Norm
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Re: Coils questions - My new mill (none / 0) (#5)
by scoraigwind on Sun Apr 04, 2004 at 04:28:20 PM MST

The coil shape is fine but I would put the wider end outward (small matter).  Maybe you weren't turnng fast enough to see output but it should be there.

YOu could put a lot more turns on the coil if the former were smaller and this would increase the output.  

The centre of one side of the coil should be at the centre of one magnet when the centre of the other side is over the centre of the next.  This will get you maximum voltage.

Resistance only matters when there is current so it will not affect the voltage only the losses on load.
Hugh Piggott http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk



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