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Forklift Battery question


By whatsnext, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 12:12:08 PM MST
Are used batteries still good?

I just got back from a meeting with one of my vendors. His specialty is selling new and 'reconditioned' forklift batteries and chargers. To 'recondition' the batteries he basicly removes dead or dying cells from the case and replaces them with good cells from another case. So basicly two batteries get turned into one. The bad cells are ones that cannot put out full rated power for four hours and end up with a voltage of 1.75 at the end of the test. Some cells die right away, some last the whole four hours but have a final voltage of 1.71. Both are considered bad and are scrapped. He gets 5.5 cents per pound for his scrap and will sell it to me for the same price. Because we're friends and our employers do buisness together he's offered to hand sort the cells for me and just sell me cells that barely fail his tests. At his scrap price a 880 Ah @ 24 would cost about $120 (2200lb x $.055/lb). The 880Ah rating would be, just barely, missed but wouldn't this still be a heck of a battery bank for this price? Getting them as single cells would mean I could handle them myself with a two wheeler. The guy has all kinds of crazy huge batteries in his warehouse. The 32VDC train batteries were particularily awesome. So, if you guys were starting from scratch and you had the chance to buy cells like this:
A. Would you?
B. If so, how would decide what size, VDC and Ah, to get?

My idea would be to have a good size bank that could power an inverter big enough to keep my furnace running and keep my life reletively uninterupted when we have our once a year ice storms(last time it happened I camped out at home for eight days). It would also give me a nice dump load when I build a wind alt or find some PV at an auction someplace. I want to put a HW solar collector on my south wall and the idea of the thing overheating in a power failure does not appeal to me.
TIA, John.....

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Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by old55olds on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 12:26:48 PM MST
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First of all if he is getting 5.5 Cents  per lb he is getting a heck of a deal. Here in Edmonton they will no longer take any forklift batteries. So I get them for free. But take the ones that are slow to go down. The ones that die right away probably have plates broken off the buss. Go for the most popular size that he has. Then go to delulfator.com and get a desulfator. Mine took 6 months but came back to like new.



Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by scotswhaehae on Wed Dec 22nd, 2004 at 04:17:32 AM MST
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Also living in this cold Edmonton climate, and I am looking for a reconditioned 24v forklift battery.  I have one with a dead cell, any idea on where I can go to find another used one?

Thanks,
Scotswhaehae

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Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by mayormclurch on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 08:27:23 AM MST
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I am in the Edmonton area and just starting to get into the idea of off grid living (held back by $ rather than enthusiasm!)  I'd like to know where you get your free forklift batteries?  Also, has anyone tried the homebrew desulfator from Richard Lewis' "Poor Man's Guide to Windpower"?

Thanks!
"The Earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."--Psalm 24:1
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Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 12:46:21 PM MST
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At his scrap price a 880 Ah @ 24 would cost about $120

Id sure gamble on it...
I think forklift batteries are pretty tough.  Seems like maybe Hugh or somebody once said here, that one drawback is a higher self discharge rate.



Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 06:04:38 PM MST
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In general, they usually use a higher antimony content in the plates and self discharge at rates as high as 15% per week.  They are, however, generally designed for daily use and can tolerate much more abuse than the higher calcium content batteries.  Rich Hagen
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
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Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by tecker on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 03:51:57 PM MST
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Look for swollen sides , seperation around the posts and dry or very low electrolyte
levels most are low but if the plates are showing thats a problem child.



Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by whatsnext on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 05:13:16 PM MST
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By the time I got them they would be fully tested, topped up, and the hydrometer reading would be perfect. This is part of the test process. There would be no heavily sulfated cells because he would hand pick them so that they would be very close to passing the four hour test. There would be no non functioning cells because they would be fully tested before I get them. They just would not test 'as new' but would probably test at least 90% as good as new. So a 880Ah cell would test as though it were a new 800Ah cell. And, if one fails I just take it back and trade it for another good 'scrap' cell. What I'm curious about is how you guys would go about building a battery bank based on my earlier stated criteria. Namely what would be the voltage of your final battery bank if you could built one based on the availability of what I've presented?
Thank for all the help so far, John......

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Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 06:14:53 PM MST
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I would probably build a 48V bank because it is the highest voltage at which the inverters, and other parts are widely and cheaply available as far as I've seen.  The advantage of using a higher voltage is that in order to move the same amount of watts around you don't need as big of a wire.  For example to move 1000 watts around at 48 volts DC only requires carrying 20.83 Amps down your cables, where as with 12 volts you would have 83.33 amps.  If your Batteries, power sources, and loads are a large distance apart,the cost difference between using 10 or 8 guage wire or using 2-4 guage wiring can be substantial.  Just my thoughts on it, Rich Hagen
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
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Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Thu Sep 23rd, 2004 at 06:23:05 PM MST
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I guess I should point out that those wire sizes were for 1000 watts, if your running a Trace sw5548 drawing up to 126 amps at 48 volts or so, more for motor startup and such you would need substantially larger wire.  Size your wire for the maximum amps it will carry.  A conservative wire guage table is located here:  
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
Keep having fun,  Rich Hagen
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
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Re: Forklift Battery question (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by Airstream on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 09:35:32 AM MST
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Size your wire for the maximum amps it will carry.

Bzzt. Size your wire to 125% of the maximum amps it will carry. Good post Rich!

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