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Question for Marv


By Victor, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Sat Jan 1st, 2005 at 10:55:18 PM MST
or anyone who knows any thing about punch presses

 What should I look for or avoid when shopping for a used punch press.

 Any "brand names" that will be easier to find punches for. What size will I need for stamping laminations etc.

Victor

Question for Marv | 8 comments (8 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by marv (windtamer@hotmail.com) on Sat Jan 1st, 2005 at 06:09:37 PM MST
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Sorry Victor,  the press I have is the only one that I have experienced.

It was sitting outside a door manufacturing plant I frequent,and when I
asked the owner, he said take it a way. (score!)

It shure works well for stamping silicon steel laminations.

You could always try factory bankruptcy or liquidations.

MARV.







Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by whatsnext on Sat Jan 1st, 2005 at 08:03:10 PM MST
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Marv is correct. Old punch presses are worth their weight as scrap minus freight. Almost all dies are made from scratch because they are made to last a million punches and there just is not enough people around to allow for standardised dies. If you find one make sure that you work your way down to a full stroke. I've seen quite a few machines broken from too quick a set up. Did it, once, myself. Jeez, you'de think I got the boss's daughter pregnant.
John...........

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Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by RatOmeter on Sat Jan 1st, 2005 at 09:17:25 PM MST
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I'll second (or third, I guess) Marv's implicent advice on how to get machine tools cheap.

The machinist and VP where I used to work was working with me at a customer's site when we noticed some old machines set out back near the shipping/receiving area. He wound up with a good, usable Blanchard grinder and another kind of grinder (works on long shafts, can't remember the name/type) that needed rebuilding... for the cost of the riggers and freight.

I guess it helps to be in the right place and time, or just having industrial connections in general.

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Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by RatOmeter on Sat Jan 1st, 2005 at 09:27:49 PM MST
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Mmm. Sorry to proof-read after posting, but "implicent" from above should be "implicit".

Just be glad I'm not the official spelling nazi here.

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Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by Flux on Sun Jan 2nd, 2005 at 02:03:16 AM MST
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I am not familiar with the brands available in the USA but in Europe the Schuler seems to be the best machine around, but for small scale use virtually any notching press with a rotary indexing feature should be good enough.

The punches and dies are generally designed on much the same lines and can be interchanged with a bit of ingenuity. This as others have said is likely to be the expensive bit, you may easily find a surplus press but you are unlikely to find punches and dies unless you are very lucky.

The picture that Marv showed is typical of a small notching press.

How much use do you have for it, have you considered laser cutting for small quantities or even water jet.

Flux

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Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by Victor on Sun Jan 2nd, 2005 at 07:53:44 AM MST
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Hi All,

 Thanks for the input. I am just looking at all the possibities at this point. After my post I realized that the punch press would have to be nearly free to make this route attractive

 Flux, I'm mostly leaning in the water jet direction, because there would not seem to be much of a cost penalty per pound for using thinner laminations (since they would be cut in a stack of x thickness). The industry standard for short runs seems to be laser, do you know of water jet being used for this?
When I talk to water jet people they say "Yes , we can do it." however when I ask prototype motor contractors about their lams I always hear "laser". One of the water jet people even recognized the shape and said " Oh, I used to make those when I was laser cutting"

 I know there is a cost / tolerance issue with water jet and this may be the reason prototypes are laser cut.

 Any and all input on this is welcome.

Victor

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Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by Flux on Sun Jan 2nd, 2005 at 09:05:17 AM MST
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Victor

I have no real idea how things are in the USA, but when I was last involved laser was just becoming cheap enough and good enough for prototypes. I would think now that water jet ought to be cheaper but in some countries some processes develop faster than others.

Unfortunately for small runs it is always the initial set up that costs the money and much depends on the enthusiasm of the person doing the job whether one process or another wins out.

Unless you are lucky enough to find a punch or are prepared to live with rectangular slots the punch option will be prohibitive.

Flux

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Re: Question for Marv (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by whatsnext on Sun Jan 2nd, 2005 at 12:20:38 PM MST
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I quote both water jet and lazer jobs. Until the material becomes very thick lazer is your best option. You need to do two things. Download a shareware program that allows you to create .dfx files. More difficult will be finding a shop that is already cutting the material you want. It will make the shop's life a lot easier if they have experiance cutting that stuff you want. If my buddy had not just sold his last lazer I would know where to send you.
John......

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