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New wind turbine day 4


By DanB, Section Wind
Posted on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:54:02 PM MST
25 pounds of magnets and 16 pounds of copper...

I worked on this machine over the weekend a bit, so yesterday was really a pretty light day... just assembly for the most part.  Overall though, there are about 4 days work into this project.


I finished up the mould.  I've got the mould layed out so that we know exactly where each coil must fit.  The two circles in the middle are the path of the magnets, so the coils must be centered of that space, and the 12 radial lines from the center show the maximum width of the coils  - any wider than that and things wont fit together.  When I wind coils, I place each one in the mould to make sure it's a good fit.  Ideally, it should occupy all its alloted space but not more.


I've decided to make this a 48 volt machine, and hopefully soon I'll upgrade my whole system so that I can install it!  Last Thursday I tested a single coil made from #13 wire with 80 turns on it and estimated the cutin speed would be around 70 rpm if I stuck with that.  I started worrying about heat - and a cutin of 70 rpm is a bit slow, so I wound all 12 coils with 2 strands of #15 (equiv to #12 wire) and 68 turns.  I was shooting for 70 turns, but they just wouldnt fit, and half way through I changed my plan - then went back and removed 2 turns from each coil.  Now they fit perfectly.  Each coil weighs about 1.25 pounds, so I figure we've got about 16 pounds of copper in this machine.


One all the coils are wound, I stack them in their 'phases' and cut the leads to the right length.  Then I burn off the insulation on the leads with a torch and sand the ends clean.


I connect the coils together (and solder the connections) for one phase at a time.  I like to make the connections around the inner diameter, it looks nice, and it makes sure we have lots of clear space on the outside for drilling holes.  I suppose it lowers resistance slightly too - but I doubt thats an issue.


Kind of ugly... but it works!  There are surely better ways to make sure that all the coils are in exactly the right spot, but this is my preferred method for now.  After all the  connections are made between coils,  I use duct tape, and tape the coils to the mould so that all 12 are exactly in the right spot.


I cut a bunch of little squares from fiberglass cloth, and glue them over the legs of the coils with super glue, attaching each coil to it's neighbor.  This holds things together nicely so I can pull the whole assembly out of the mould.


Theres a picture of it after the duct tape has been removed.  I've also made the 'star' connection here.  At this point, it's pretty tough - easy to pick up and nothing will break or bend.


I grease up the mould, this time with 'johnsons wood wax' (because I'd run out of turtle wax), put some resin in the bottom - then put in a 'doughnut' of fiberglass cloth.. a bit more resin, then the coils, then more resin - another piece of cloth, then more resin... then clamp the top down.  This time I mixed the resin according to the instructions.  I didnt have any talc or anything else around for filler (wished I had) so I just poured it straight.  It took almost 3/4 of a gallon.  I was worried about such a large volume getting too hot and possibly cracking.  Sure enough - there were a couple of minor cracks when it came out...  but nothing too bad, nothing a little epoxy couldn't fix.  Talc would've helped to prevent that  - possibly a bit less hardener would've helped too.  My experience, when I cast these with 'bondo' brand resin - it takes 1 - 2 hours before its hard.  I watch things carefully, and when it just starts getting hard (But still somewhat soft) I find it's easy to cleanup the top of the mould (and whatever ran onto the floor).  After it seems hard, I usually pull the top of the mould so it can cool faster.  Once it's cooled down to room temp I'll take it out.  It doesnt usually take that long.


I pour resin in the magnet rotors at the same time so my shop only smells bad once!  Each magnet rotor here has about 1 quart of resin.  Overall - I used almost a gallon and a half on this project.


I usually drill three small holes (3/16" or so) in the stator right in the center of 3 of the coils, and screw the stator down to the wooden template that I used to locate the stator brackets.  (I also used this template as a lid for the mould)  Then I drill right through the same holes that I had the stator brackets bolted to when I welded them on the machine.  This assures the stator will fit the brackets perfectly and it assures the stator will be centered on the machine.


Here the stator is finished and all the mounting hardware is on.  I used 3/8" diameter brass bolts for terminals.


Here we've got the back magnet rotor mounted to the hub.


One rotor on the machine!  The magnet rotors are about 45 pounds, the hub is about 8... so this is getting fairly heavy.


Here we're getting the stator adjusted with a nice airgap.  Green and yellow... I'm certainly not a football fan, but it was pointed out to me that these are almost exactly the right shades of the right colors for the CSU (Colorado State University) Rams.  Woops....  too late now.  I went to CSU for one semester...


Using the 3 jacking screws to lower the front rotor on.


There it is, all finished up except for some wood working!  It's amazingly stiff when shorted out - it makes the last 'big' wind turbines we made seem somewhat small.  Overall it's got 25 pounds of magnets and 16 pounds of copper in the alternator.  We hit 50 volts at about exactly 80 rpm now which seems reasonable.  Im not sure if Ill have the ambition to truck test this alternator - I'd like to, but I dont really have all the stuff to do it right yet.  We may... or I may just stick a 17' diameter prop on it and see what happens.  It'll be a while, I still have a 12 volt system here.  Lots of sorting out with batteries, solar panels and inverters before I can really fly this one.  

Again, this all took about 4 days. Here are links to the rest of the project.

On Day 1 I pretty much got most of the metal parts cut out and some of the welding done.

On Day 2 we got the rest of the welding finished, the magnet template made, and the magnets put on the rotors.

On Day 3 We built the coil winder, tested a single coil - and painted all the metal parts.  Lots of fun...

New wind turbine day 4 | 11 comments (11 topical)

Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by iFred on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:09:05 AM MST


SWEEEEET! Nice!!!!!!

>> all energy used to produce this comment or post came from solar and wind energy! It works!


Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by picmacmillan on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:17:18 AM MST

cool! green and yellow, same color as my new genny...looks fantastic....hope you get it all switched to 48 volt and everything runs great...pickster.
http://www.frecklefarmloghomes.com


Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Shadow on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:51:57 AM MST

 Very Nice Dan!I always find your posts so informative, lots of pictures and descriptions, it makes building these alot easier.I had one rotor where the resin would not harden up. either not enough hardner or too cold. Ended up cleaning it all off and redoing it. Both turned out very nice so far. Stator is still in the mould wasnt sure how long to leave it's been a day and a half so far. Started on blade number one this am, so far so good.



Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by DanB on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:04:10 AM MST

be fun to see your machine - sounds like it's getting very close.

Everyone does things differently...
I find that my patience...  my ability to carve wood, what sort of tolerances I find acceptable etc..  vary throughout the day(s).  When making blades especially... I always try to make 3 at one time, and do each operation to each blade at the very same time, rather than making 1 whole blade at a time.  I think they come out more consistant that way, its easier to compare them to each other if they are all at the same point at the same time.  But thats just me...

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Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by K3CZ on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:03:17 AM MST

Dan:
  Any chance of you guys printing out binders full of the whole narrative and (esp) the pictures, for possible sale?  You have fine-tuned Hugh's construction methods to a very workable finale, esp. for larger machines (but the principles hold true for any size machine).  The important thing is that all the narrative steps are illustrated with exact details, and the details are exportable to any similar  project!              
   Perhaps an enlarged dessertation on the principles of coil shape and placement in relation to magnet shape, size and location would also be in order, as I have seen several stator designs posted that have built-in errors of such criteria that will result in lowered outputs.          
Keep up the good work!       Van   K3CZ

PS I am still struggling with transporting my new Kodak digital pictures to my postings, but we willl eventually figure it out.



Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by jimjjnn on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:10:51 AM MST

I download The Dan's artickes off the otherpower site and print it out. That way I can customize it for my vision problems . Works great !!
Denver,CO
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Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by troy on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 07:55:28 PM MST

Awe inspiring machine.  

I just can't help but wonder how big things are going to get.  What size of machine would you say is too far?  Is a 24' rotor out of the question?  You could build up decent 12' blade blanks with relatively inexpensive and available lumber. I thought the last batch of turbines were pretty impressive and they pale by comparison.  

All the best, as always.

troy



Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Volvo farmer on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 03:56:31 AM MST

Being the observant farmer I am, I notice a nice Volvo 245 in the background. I also noticed it appears near the tail of the wind machine in the picture. Now wouldn't the profile of a 245 make a great tail? If you don't do it, I'm gonna :-)

Volvo Farmer




Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by MattB on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 09:26:00 AM MST

Bob... I think you should go for your white/blue 544... flames and all  :-)

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Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by DanG on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 09:56:45 AM MST

I saw the picture of the two magnent discs loose on the benchtop and truuly got a case of the willys... Eek!! - too relaxed on the hazards of Neo magnents, I know you're familiar with them and all, but that looks like dynamite waiting to explode. Some small warning for us the wooden-headed out in internet-space that Murphy's Law ALWAYS applies when dealing with "manly" Neo magnents should be constantly present :)

WTG with refining & detail work - definately a machine I want to build!!



Re: New wind turbine day 4 (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by scoraigwind on Sun Feb 06, 2005 at 02:54:05 PM MST

Wow that is fantastic.  Just got back onto the board and read all the messages in sequence.  What a lot of new ideas and lovely pictures.  

I agree that you would have made better use of all those magnets by putting them on a bigger disk diameter but I reckon you probably got the cut in speed tuned about right.  shoujld be a dynamite machine in low winds.  I would expect the rotor to stall if you hold the volts down to 48 or even 60 volts but it's much nicer to be stalling than overspeeding.  You have control then.

I am looking forward to seeing it flying in the not too distant future!
Hugh Piggott http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk



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