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clockwise in northern hemisphere.


By NicholasSchneider, Section Wind
Posted on Sat Oct 15, 2005 at 03:25:52 AM MST
clockwise in northern hemisphere, no kidding.

I appreciate info on the furling's influence on rotation but I'm still on the front end.  So its clockwise in northern hemisphere - no kidding.  Wind is unsteady and asymmetrical, in northern hemisphere, gusts veer increasing the angle of attack to beyond stall with resolting high lift vector tilted forward with negative drag, lulls back reducing angle of attack, the boundary layer being maintained through hystresis.  Amplitude and frequency are a factor but in theory (well described in final chapters of C.A. Marchaj "Sail Performance") this could be a reason for clockwise.  I have had visceral experience of this with high acceleration sailing an iceboat on starboard tack in gusts.  In sailing racing has developed an appreciation of small nuances and in nature evolution is a process of very small steps; just how small a step this might be:  find output of similar wind turbines operating in both hemispheres editing out sight variables and see if there is any statistical difference over time, every electron counts.  Maybe the stimulus of racing windmills could help development.
clockwise in northern hemisphere. | 4 comments (4 topical)

Re: clockwise in northern hemisphere. (3.00 / 1) (#1)
by wpowokal on Sat Oct 15, 2005 at 07:07:47 AM MST

I think you miss the point, it's realy as simple as the asemtrical spiral caused by the hemisphere you are in.

These are of course caused by the eddies set up by the interaction of the cold and hot fronts in your local, simple sience.
"Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today." James Dean



Re: clockwise in northern hemisphere. (3.00 / 1) (#2)
by Victor on Sat Oct 15, 2005 at 10:48:36 AM MST

 Nicholas,

 I read somwhere, that in the nothern hemisphere, the gust veer to right (clockwise from above) and your post seems to confirm this. Thanks for going deeper into this thread.

  Don't forget to look at the effect on the blade that is 180 degrees from the one your obviously paying attention to (on the opposite tack, so to speak). IMO wind veering effects are nutralized between the top and bottom of the rotor irregardless of the direction of rotation.

  The furling effects are not ballanced with respect to flexing the blade into or away from the tower.

 All of the furling designs that I am aware of, have the tail furl in a clockwise direction when viewed from above so that a gust that veers in a clockwise direction(northern hemisphere) furls the tail rather than driving the rotor into the gust.

  With the tail furling clockwise from above a counterclockwise rotor rotation (viewed from upwind)drives the bottom blade away from the tower when the machine furls. The new Bergey designs and all of the Jacobs (old DC and new grid tie) have counterclockwise rotating rotors. If tower clearace is large enough this is a non issue. The Whispers rotate clockwise, but this may make their furling dynamics smoother IMO(not tail hinged)

 Any Ausies sp?  reading this. What do you see in your country? Come to think of it, the AWP turbine made in South Africa,but designed by a northerner, hinges the tail in the clockwise direction and if I remember correctly has a clockwise turning rotor as do Hugh's other designs (because if I'm quoting correctly ccw "just ain't right") Please join in Hugh, we would love your input

Victor Creazzi
Aerofire Windpower
www.aerofirewind.com

 



Re: clockwise in northern hemisphere. (4.00 / 1) (#3)
by kell on Sat Oct 15, 2005 at 07:38:05 PM MST

In any undergraduate physics course there always comes the time in lecture hall when the professor (or his assistant) sits on a pivoting stool and holds a spinning bicycle wheel.  When he tries to turn the wheel's axis, it causes him to rotate and the stool with him.  I think it is called precession.  This is a very strong effect.  Seems to me there would be a similar torque when you take a spinning turbine and try to rotate the axis up.

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Re: clockwise in northern hemisphere. (4.00 / 1) (#4)
by NicholasSchneider on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 08:47:27 PM MST

180 degrees - with the wind gradient, at least in large diameter the top will out perform the bottom, it is a nuance but at least it excercises the mind, and it seems solutions are never obvious.  And the path can be devious.

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