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Interesting Single Coil - Single Phase Alternator


By Clifford, Section Mechanical
Posted on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 06:06:57 AM MST
Schmidt Bicycle Generator

I just bought the core to a Schmidt bicycle generator.

Actually, I kind of goofed as I had thought that it was a complete generator minus the outer housing.  But, it turned out to be the stator minus the outer housing and was also lacking the magnets.

I had been fooled by the horizontal metalic parts on the stator assembly, thinking they were magnets or something.

However,

Apparently the way this alternator works,

The steel fingers are attached to steel disks on opposite ends of the alternator which are in turn attached to a steel pipe connecting the two halves of the generator.

I believe a single coil is wrapped around this center pipe.

When the magnets are placed above the fingers, they induce opposite magnetic poles in the endplates (and traveling through the pipe in the middle).  

Rotating the magnetic hub around the stator will alternatively induce N and S poles to the endplates, and thus induce flux and current flow in the stator.

Anyway, I thought it was a unique concept.

One obvious extension would be to use plain notched disks with the magnets mounted between the two disks.  However, such a design would be more practical with fixed magnets and a rotating stator assembly.  The notches and fingers in the disks would line up and cover half of the magnets.  Presumably it could also be designed to pull off of 100% of the magnets, but that would certainly complicate the design.

Anyway, I thought I would post this as food for thought.
The bicycle generator was supposed to generate 6V, 3W.

Interesting Single Coil - Single Phase Alternator | 4 comments (4 topical)

Re: Interesting Single Coil - Single Phase Alterna (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by hiker on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 04:21:22 AM MST

works like a car alt. but backwards....
grab a piece of pipe and glue your mags on the inner side--make some end caps from  plywood or metal.............
WILD IN ALASKA


Re: Interesting Single Coil (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Rowan Clearwater on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 03:14:42 PM MST

How about this for an idea...

 Nearly everyone here is using "Magnet in the middle disk, coil(s) either side" using the flux from both ends of the magnets. To get more out, we use more copper, but , oh dear, we loose on copper losses :-(

Now, transformers are designed as figure 8 - with the coils both in the middle, or designed as TORROIDS ie core is round, and coils are overwound.....Anyone see the connection....?      -  FLUX PATH !

By using ONE RING OF COPPER , around the outside of the generator, and using "C" shaped flux rings around the outside, connecting - briefly- with our magnetic core disk, we can generate a voltage in the ring, as the flux (in all C pieces) goes from outside to inside and round again.Using one C ring per magnet, and ensuring the flux of all rings go in the same direction, we can use more magnets or more rings as space allows. It would be a lot easier to assemble than winding and gluing individual cores. Try taking an angle grinder to some springs and see what you get
 :-)

Email me at Theapocathary@aol.com if you want to or post here.
Nothing worth doing was ever easy!



Re: Interesting Single Coil (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Flux on Sun Dec 18, 2005 at 02:24:44 AM MST

Yes the idea works. It is used in several forms such as the transverse flux generator.

In its basic form it is single phase so you need to stack 3 machines on the shaft with the magnets displaced by the angle to produce 3 phase.

The main snag is the high leakage reactance which makes it difficult to rectify the output.

I have not heard of a small scale wind application, give it a try and see how it works.

Flux

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Re: Interesting Single Coil (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Rowan Clearwater on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 04:53:06 AM MST

Thanks Flux.
    I will as soon as I get my current project in the air - Back to ceramic magnets, but using flux concentrators and smaller/more poles on the outer drum.
    If anyone else has the time - let us know how you get on.
     Have Fun !
Nothing worth doing was ever easy!
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