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Single blade madness continued


By johnlm, Section Wind
Posted on Thu Feb 10th, 2005 at 11:01:19 PM MST
First proto of an ugly stubby single blade

Rotornuts and all,
Since we got goofy a few days ago speculating how and why to do do a single blade rotor, I submit the first ugly prototype.

I started with a couple of parts from propset that went to their resting places in the windy great beyond.  The single blad I  had that was still intact was from an old 5 ft unit that met its fate about a year ago before I learned how to do the gravity furling system that is popular on this site.  The other (stubbys) cam from a 3 ft prop that the set screw on the hub (pully) worket its way lose and the entire prop came off in a big blow.

I was going to insert an image here but even though I uploaded and can view the files in my files it is not showing up the file names on the select image box.
Maybe Ill continue with the story and see if they are ready by the time I get finished and put the pics at the end.

I weighed and found the center of gravity of the 5 ft blade and then cut off the shattered tips of a couble of the 3 ft blades.  I then added weights (chunks of rebar cut to the correct length to give me the needed weight) to make the stubbies weigh about the same as the 5 ft blade.  I mounted the stubbies and the 5 ft on a well used wooden hub in the appropriate 120 degree spacing.  I then glued the rebar pieces to the ends of the stubbies and tested the balance.  The assembly was heavy on the 5 ft end so I started attaching small magnets to the rebar until I go it pretty closely balanced.  I cut some additional ssmaller pieces of rebar to match the weight of the magnets used and glued them on then did some additional fine balancing.  To balance it all I did was insert a long shaft into the hole in the center of the wooden hub and rest it on a level smooth flat surface (or the corners of pieces of angle iron setting on a table work well).  I balanced it only in one (rotational) plane.  It is quite possible that the center of mass of the stubbies relative to the center of mass of the 5 ft blade may not forward or behind as viewed from the edge of the prop.  But it would rotate with little to no favor for a heavy blade.  I then mounted a small pully to the wooden hub and mounted the thing to an old converted fan motor I had laying around and then mounted it on my quick and dirty small mill plarform with tail attached.  Took it outside far away from anything and set it up.  And guess what .... no wind.  I thought today would be a good day to do this as earlier there wer just gentle breezes in the 3 to 7 mph range.  I didnt want to try this thing in any real wind due to the precarious nature in which I threw it together.
I see I still cannot view my files in the select file to insert box so I will try copy and pasting the shortcuts.

What I started with above,

The stubbies and 5 ft blade mounted on the rotor hub.  The rebar is attached to the stubbies.

The whole assembly, ugly as it is.

Waiting for a puff of wind.

Ill be back with the rest of the story after I get some wind.  And please understand I realize this setup looks and is pretty precarious, unguyed pole,  rebar possibly flying off into my head if im not careful etc.  Just had to do something to see if it works.

Johnlm


I think I got the right pictures in the right spots for you.

Tom


Single blade madness continued | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Single blade madness continued (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by ghurd on Thu Feb 10th, 2005 at 04:07:46 PM MST
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Yup.  It's goofy lookin'.
Can't wait to see how it works!
G-



Re: Single blade madness continued (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by rotornuts on Thu Feb 10th, 2005 at 04:25:13 PM MST
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Right on john! I love it, it's the ugly duckling. I'm very eager to see how it runs. This is a great way to see what it's going to take to balance this setup. It'll only be a couple more days for the wind to come back so here's hoping it doesn't dissapoint.

Eagerly waiting!



Re: Single blade madness continued (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by johnlm on Thu Feb 10th, 2005 at 05:34:49 PM MST
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Well It about to get dark and still breeze so I took her down for the night, just in case the wind comes up later tonight.  If she's going to vibrate herself to pieces I at least want to see it happening.  Tomorrow I will secure the rebar weights a bit better and guy the mast, and maybe bring down some wires from the motor conversion alt.  Unfortunately if she starts moving she will run pretty fast as this 5 ft blade was from a prop that did between 500 and 600 RPM in a 10 mph wind (TSR of 10?)  Believe it or not when the 5 ft prop got destroyed in a wind storm due to a very poor furling technique (spring loaded tilt back that had the prop/alternator assembly jerking violently in and out of the wind and sinificant blade flutter going on) she was doing a tad over 2000 RPM, and I couldnt stop it by shorting out the 3 phase wires coming down - too high of internal impedance on the alt to stop it.
I learned a lesson from that an have started using the gravity furling tailvane approach.  I even built a mechanical shut off system into the furling tail vane on my 8 footer to pull the tail over to the stop and bring the blades 90 degrees out of the wind so I can shut her down in a big blow or if I just dont want it to run.  Works nifty.
Johnlm



Re: Single blade madness continued (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by johnlm on Thu Feb 10th, 2005 at 08:54:00 PM MST
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Brief update
After rereading the original post by Rotornuts and the posts about the maple seeds, I started getting concerned about all the talk about balancing one of these monoblade props, so I couldn't take it anymore and went out and chucked the prop up to a variable speed drill.  I started it slowly, expecting to pick up some kind of wierd vibration or shuddering at around 50 to 100 rpm - nothing - smooth as silk.  So I cranked it up to a couple of hundred rpm where I noticed a slight vibration, but nothing much worse than Ive seen on 3 blade props that were not precisely balanced.  So I cranked it up full bore around 600 rpm and it was still pretty smooth.  The one test I did not do and thought about after I came back to the house was to yaw it a bit while I was holding this thing (the drill with the prop on it) in my hands with the prop whipping by at 500 rpm to see if there was any of the 2 blade choppy effect during yaw.  I guess that will wait until tomorrow.  But for now, for no more time than I spent trying to balance this prop, I think we have over concerned ourselves.  Either that or I just got plain lucky on the balance.  Looks promising.
John



Re: Single blade madness continued (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by rotornuts on Thu Feb 10th, 2005 at 10:16:03 PM MST
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My only real big concern john is the narrow blade but I'm sure your aware of that. we should be trying to combine the area of three blades into one or the low speed may be disappointing. But seeing as how you had all the parts allready I don't see the point in making a new blade till we see how the three point balance system works out.

Thanks for trying this out.

Still eagerly waiting for you to get some wind.

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Re: Single blade madness continued (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by johnlm on Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 09:19:25 PM MST
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 2/11/05 evening.  Still no wind but I did try the test of yawing while it was on the drill - no jerking as one would have with a 2 blade prop, just smooth pull up or down depending on which way I yawed it.
John



Re: Single blade madness continued (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by Chiron (chiron@eskimo.com) on Sat Feb 12th, 2005 at 07:20:44 PM MST
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That "pull" is the centripedal/gyroscopic force I was refering to in an earlier thread. If it's a smooth and constant force during yawing rather than the vibration like a 2 bladed turbine it might be manageable. Just hope you don't wind up ducking a lawn dart ;)

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Chiron > > I was here
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