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goverment climb down
By bob golding, Section Reviews Posted on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 12:33:17 AM MST
electricity industry to hammer the poor again

just read this on the bbc home page
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4340755.stm
the interesting part i thought was the comment about electricity having to be more expensive. i read this as "you have been getting cheap dirty electicity for years while the industry as been making huge profits, now we have to clean up our act and you are going to have to pay for it, yes even all you little old ladies living on beans and worrying about freezing to death in the winter" this should shut up all those anti windturbine whingers,or am i just preaching to the converted again?
bob golding

goverment climb down | 22 comments (22 topical)

Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by mkseps on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 05:47:48 PM MST

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/mar05/307934.asp

Take a look at this! More of the same opposition. Will it ever change?
Gene

Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by kww on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 08:43:12 PM MST

I've had one turbine up for over a year, two up for about 6 months, still haven't gotten my first bird ;-), two behind my new dog, a few behind my car... It's time to do what any intelligent individual would do and outlaw wind turbines, dogs, vehicles, clean windows,...save a bird at ALL costs. ;-) Makes you wonder if Big Bird is more than just a character on Sesame Street. Bird brains rule!!! LOL

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by LEXX on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 08:44:12 PM MST

Clean windows are the worst, that's why I haven't helped the missus with house work for so long, just my way of saving the environment, and that vital resource Windex.
LEXX

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by PHinker on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 06:52:05 AM MST

My 12 year old daughter is doing a report on wind turbines and we were editting her final version the other night. When we got to the section where she was supposed to list the cons of big wind, I brought up the fact that some people don't like them because they kill birds. She looked at me like I had lost my mind. When I finally convinced her that I wasn't pulling her leg she muttered under her breath, "Any bird that can't avoid something the size of a skyscraper probably deserves what it gets."

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by kww on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 10:57:40 AM MST

LOL I love kids, they seem to have far more sense than most adults, dispite their lack of experience. Guess when you don't have knowledge intelligence helps to compensate?

I don't know about other areas, but around here the birds fly around moving turbines, not through them. I wonder if in places where birds hit turbines if there's large clouds of smog, radiation, etc. coming from oil, nuclear, etc. power companies they pass through before they hit the turbines? Great way to kill two birds with one lie.

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by Dan M on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 02:35:09 PM MST

OUT-LAW CLEAN WINDOWS!!!!!

I've seen them kill a lot more birds than wind turbines.

-Dan M

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by Old F on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 05:18:29 PM MST

I love birds baked or fryed : )

Taste just like rattle snake ; )

Old F

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by LEXX on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 08:41:57 PM MST

frankly, I would not mind a bit if the goose (canadian or not) got a little thinned out!! But realisticly, these are fairly intelligent birds, they would learn, if they don't already know, not to fly into something that's going to kill them, I think the greater evil is poluting the environment that sustains them giving them no chance at all of figuring out a way of not getting killed by it.
LEXX

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by pyrocasto on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 05:58:19 PM MST

I hope something changes people's minds. Like windmills being an eyesore. Pshh! Because cell phone towers are beautiful to look at...

Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by electrondady1 on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 06:08:26 PM MST

it was anounced on friday electrical rates will increase again on 1st of april here in ontario can.

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by windstuffnow on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 08:30:24 PM MST

I reciently recieved a notice from our provider stating they were going to increase our rates. Doesn't really matter to me, they can do what they want. I do, however, feel bad for those that are barely making ends meet having to deal with all the energy hikes. Fuel costs increase "everything" we consume, electric is only a small part of the increasing costs... Then as an incentive they offer us hybrids for 5 to 10k more than you can get a std gas car for... quite an incentive a ? It's still cheaper to drive a 35mpg car than it is to pay the 10k for fuel economy... makes no sense whatsoever...

Really ticks me off... but you know their doing it for "our own good" right? Chrysler says no one will buy the smart car in the US... Zap has sold well over 8000 of them and their not even here yet... The auto manufactures need to get out of the office and talk to real people !!!

whew... (steam rollin out the ears) I'm done...

Windstuff Ed

Have Fun! Windstuff Ed
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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by nothing to lose on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 08:42:34 PM MST

"Chrysler says no one will buy the smart car in the US... Zap has sold well over 8000 of them and their not even here yet... The auto manufactures need to get out of the office and talk to real people !!!"

There will never be a use for a computer in the home.

Hmmm, wasn't that an X IBM exec that said that, or is he still there??
That's why IBM has no real market share of todays home PC market, they weren't interested in it to begin with!
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nothing to lose

Spelin and tpying are my strong points, not electronics.
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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by richhagen on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 05:55:24 PM MST

Didn't you hear? They're in the process of selling what remains of their PC production and marketing to a Chinese company. I'll bet that company does real well with it in the U.S. Market. Rich Hagen
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Peppyy on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 09:06:15 PM MST

The first NEW car I bought was a 1990 geo metro XFI. There was no smog pumps and recirculation systems. It pulled my 14' boat locally and it got upwards of 65 mpg on long trips. $7000 brand new and lasted 10 years. I looked last year for a comparable vehicle since they don't make the metros anymore and wound up with a chevy aveo. Nice little car but It will never replace that metro.

Too dependable, too fuel efficient the oil companys didn't like it. I bet the aveo, (the metro's replacement) gets around 35mpg max, haven't had the heart to check it.
Pep
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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by jomoco on Sun Mar 13, 2005 at 08:03:21 PM MST

This sort of thing makes me wonder what kind of excuse they'll come up with to oppose my PGS system if I succeed in getting it into production? Too ugly? too much of a visual distraction? I've no doubt they'll think of something.

jomoco

Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by finnsawyer on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 09:13:47 AM MST

Our local power company is angling for a 7% hike. Ho hum. So, what's new. The fact is that grid power is relatively cheap and oh, so convenient. Flip a switch and it's there 24/7. Well, almost.

I'd like to know how much CO2 volcanoes spew into the atmosphere versus what we humans do. Maybe we need to plug a few volcanoes.

As far as the poor are concerned, taxing them is nothing new. Look as the gas tax, sales tax and Social Security Tax. That last one is the perfect regressive tax. You pay it from the git go. Government always taxes the working poor. That's how you keep them dependent on government hand outs. End of rant.
GeoM

Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by Bryan1 on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 03:30:53 PM MST

yea last nite a good friend told me that the south Oz govt has banned any new wind generation parks in the state saying we already have enough. Although 2 days ago a small glitch as etsa called it lost power to over 1/2 the state, but the funny thing is this isn't the first time it happened. Well it just goes to show how much power the power generation companies weild over our puppet govt's here in Oz. Glad I'm running solar.

Cheers Bryan

Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by wgatenson04 on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 03:51:55 PM MST

As far as the birds thing goes, out of 10,000 birds that are killed, only 1 of them is from a wind turbine. (I do have a source, just can't find it). Pets kill like 1000x as many birds every year, and windows kill like 8500x as many per year. Granted if there was as many wind turbines as I would LIKE to see, that number may get closer to 100 out of every 10,000 :)

Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by bob golding on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 04:12:55 PM MST

wondering if i should trade my cat for a wind turbine, he says tripping over yet another dead bird. not quite so good at keeping the mice down though.

bob golding

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by pyrocasto on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 05:41:28 PM MST

I've done a few reports on this.
Here's the source.

http://www.awea.org/faq/tutorial/wwt_environment.html#Bird%20and%20bat%20kills%20and%20other%20effec ts.

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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by ghurd on Tue Mar 22, 2005 at 05:12:36 PM MST

I know a guy with a guyed tower on or near his land.
He says dead birds are thick under it.
It has no moving parts. (not a windmill)
He believes they hit the guy wires.
Just a thought.
Ghurd.info
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Re: goverment climb down (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by electrondady1 on Mon Mar 14, 2005 at 06:33:36 PM MST

does any ones government give tax relief insentives for r. e. purchases??

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