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Re: Re: Capacitor Question


By finnsawyer, Section Wind
Posted on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 03:43:52 PM MST
It happened again!

The energy in joules (watt-second) stored in a capacitor is given by 1/2xCxV^2.  For a .033 farad capacitor at 200 volts that is equal to 660 joules.  This is not a large amount of energy, but can be useful.  If it was all used in one second, for instance, it would provide .9 horsepower.  Or .09 horsepower over ten seconds.  Or 900 horsepower in one millisecond.  It all depends on how you use it.  One of the neat things about capacitors is that the energy stored for a given capacitor depends only one the voltage and it doesn't matter how you get to that voltage.

By the way, the energy stored in an (ideal) inductor is given by 1/2xLxI^2.  Inductors tend to be less ideal than capacitors.

Re: Re: Capacitor Question | 11 comments (11 topical)

Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Nando on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 09:51:47 AM MST

WELL you calculations are quite OFF.

0.033 UF with 200 volts (0.2 Kvolts) produces just 0.66 milli Joules OR just one millionth (1/1,000,000) of your value.

If you use Ufd and kilovolts, then you get Joules as an answer.

So Joules = 1/2 * 0.033 * 0.2^2 = 660*10^-6 Joules.

If you are using a SLIDE RULE be careful with the decimal places if using a calculator place the proper decimal places to get the proper answer.

Regards

Nando



Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by finnsawyer on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 09:56:30 AM MST

The capacitor in my example is a .033 FARAD, not a Microfarad.  I was responding to a previous post concerning a capacitor of that value in which I felt energy was being confused with ? in one of the comments.
GeoM
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Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by Nando on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 01:55:56 PM MST

WELL you are right, my mistake, I miss read the capacitance.

Nando

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Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by MountainMan on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 01:32:29 PM MST

sorry to beat this horsey to death, but micro farads and kilo volts don't cancel out.

micro is 10 to -6
kilo is 10 to +3

micro and mega would cancel out.
milli and kilo would also cancel out.

jp
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Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by Nando on Sun Jul 31, 2005 at 12:13:53 PM MST

YES IT DOES CANCEL OUT.

Joules= 1/2 C ( microfarads) * Kilovolts^2

So Joules = 0.5 * 33000 * 0.2^2 = 660 Joules

Regards

Nando

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Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by finnsawyer on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 09:59:15 AM MST

You really should read the postings carefully before responding.
GeoM


Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by pyrocasto on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 11:02:56 AM MST

He was commenting on the 200 volt 33,000 uF cap in the other thread.



OT capacitor question (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by inode buddha on Wed Jul 27, 2005 at 04:50:48 PM MST

For RE uses, you can often find good deals at ham radio festivals or "hamfests". I keep an eye out for "computer" grade capacitors, usually about the size of a coffee can and 1/4 farad in capacity. Usually they are rated 25 Vdc. These are not "super-caps", just very large DC electrolytics. The ratings seem ideal for surges in RE systems however, where you need to dump a lot of amperes into a load for a short time, ie starting a motor.



Re: Re: Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by tecker on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 08:46:13 PM MST

 that's a big cap



Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by nolsson on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 11:20:33 AM MST

Okay, can anyone tell me how many Watt hours this experimental photocapacitor can store per square centimeter of PV cell?  The reported capacitance of 0.49 F cm-2 translates to what?

I get my data from this summary PDF:

http://ecsmeet2.peerx-press.org/ms_files/ecsmeet2/2005/06/01/00017520/00/17520_0_art_file_1_1117603682.pdf



Re: Capacitor Question (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by finnsawyer on Sun Jul 31, 2005 at 09:35:16 AM MST

That's 3.16 farads per square inch.  But at what voltage?  At one volt that would come to 0.5x3.16x1x1 or 1.58 joules or 1.58 watt-seconds or .00044 watt-hours.  (There are 3600 seconds in an hour).  At ten volts you get 158 watt-seconds or .04 watt-hours.  All of these are for one square inch worth.
GeoM
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