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Heater blower or Radiator fan motor


By Norm, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:02:36 PM MST
Everyonce in awhile there is that  PM motor from a car

 like this one:
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2005/8/16/233132/579
 that was hooked directly to a HAWT and produced
enough power to light a headlight....unfortunately
 they all seem to be in the distant past...so ...
is there anyone out there that has such a motor
that works like in the above link ? ....
windshield wiper motors usually aren't in this
category as they usually have a reduction gear...
usually a worm drive at that...
                   Okay anyone with
            this kind of motor?
       ( :>) Norm.
Heater blower or Radiator fan motor | 5 comments (5 topical)

Re: Heater blower or Radiator fan motor (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by bob g on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 09:42:45 AM MST

Norm

i havent tried one recently, but they are very common and available even new very cheap at least on surplus, such as

surpluscenter (dot) com

many years ago i rewound one as a 2 pole machine, and set the brushes to pick up one lead of the windings and grounded the other to the shaft, attacted a brush to the shaft to pickup the other lead.

i dont recall the output, but is was surprizing.

might have to try another one, just for kicks

bob g



Re: Heater blower or Radiator fan motor (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Norm on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 10:59:49 AM MST

 Bob g,
     Now you're talking...now if you'll show
me or go into what you mean by a 2 pole machine.
   I think you mentioned this once before...
  http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/12/28/192456/26
  I've got a pretty good idea what you're saying
in these blower motors that I've got they have
10 slots 10 commutator bars...5 pairs of coils,
as in (view5.jpg which is about 4x actual size),
but run it by me a couple more times until I get
it to penetrate my thick skull ??
           Thank you....
                    ( :>) Norm.

( :>) Norm
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Re: Heater blower or Radiator fan motor (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by bob g on Sat Aug 20, 2005 at 05:30:19 PM MST

sorry i guess i dropped the ball on that post, my aplologies

now, as for your question

i will try to describe the process, as i am not able to post a diagram as of yet

to start with the commutator is shorted all around, to in effect make it a slip ring, do this by soldering all the bars/segments together.

i will assume you have stripped the armature core bare,

if i am not mistaken i used around 22 guage wire to wind with,

either start by soldering the start of the winding to the shaft or drill and screw it to the armature core, we will be adding a brush to pick up that end at the end of the shaft later

if you have 10 slots,

number the slots 1 thru 10

starting with slot 3 and 4 wind it full of wire, keep in mind the direction you are winding it,

then skip over and fill slots 2 and 5

then skip over and half fill slots 1 and 6

then skip over and fill slots 8 and 9 continueing in the same direction as viewed thru the core

skip over to and fill slots 7 and 10

then skip over to slots 1 and 6 and finish filling.

it would be nice to keep track of the turn count and try to keep them even, even if you are off a few turns it won't make alot of difference, we arent makeing computer grade ac power here. and as for balance, the speed is so low that it won't make a lot of difference either.

to end solder the wire to the shorted commutator

to take power off , connect to the brush/s one output lead

fab a end brush to rub on the end of the shaft for the other output lead.
dont try to just take it off the case as it will try to go thru the bushings, and maybe lose some power or shorten their life

hopefully this will give you the general idea

sometimes you will have unequal slot arrangments, and will have to wind one side more than the other, which will end up with an unusual waveform, higher positive cycle lower negative cycle, or visa versa, but if you are going to rectify it won't make alot of difference anyway.

one more thing, add some insulation where the windings cross over to the other pole, seems they have a tendency to wear thru and short there.

when done if you scope the waveform, you will note some ragged edges or spikes from the pole/slots of the armature, here again, we ain't makeing computer grade power, but good enuf to rectify

bob g

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Re: Heater blower or Radiator fan motor (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by maker of toys on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 04:48:12 PM MST

seems to me that a junkyard window motor (with worm drive reduction gear) could be modified some with a hacksaw (or something a little more subtle and a lot more accurate) to eliminate the worm gear and expose the motor shaft for our purposes.

before you get out the smokewrench, however, some cars with the flip-up headlights use a very similar motor that is equipped with a hand-knob for manually raising the light in case of some minor electrical disaster in the motor circuit.  pulling off the hand-knob would expose the motor shaft sufficiently for a clamp-on type pulley or shaft coupler.  (I wouldn't trust the set-screw kind) You could also remove the wormgear to eliminate its drag on the motor shaft. . .  This 'worm reduction' type of motor has a useful feature for RE use; there is a thrust bearing built into the motor to take the axial load reaction on the worm from the load torque on the wormgear.  you'll need to check which way the thrust bearing is designed to take the load and decide if the WT goes upwind or downwind of the motor proper. . . .

not that they're particularly common any more, but the headlight motors of the Fiat and Bertone x1/9's had the knob feature. The motor in question was made by 'Magneti Marelli', *IIRC*. I have to wonder if the mid-to-late '80s honda preludes and toyota celicas/supras, maybe the 280/300 ZX nissans, and some of the early miatas and RX-7s have the same feature.   Some other european cars might have the knob, but all the ones I can think of would be pricey. . . and not likely to be in your average junkyard. <G>


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windshield wiper motors (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Norm on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 06:00:34 PM MST

   I might take a look at a window motor
they are more common around here than headlight
motors....I can't wait until those brushless motors on these $200+ scooters start showing up
in the junk yards!
              ( :>) Norm.  
( :>) Norm
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