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Plastic encased solar cell failure... or not???


By cr8zy1van, Section Mechanical
Posted on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 11:50:27 PM MST
How NOT to do your solar panels..

Well.. I know my dad would make fun of me right about now. He would always say "Measure twice, cut once" But me being me, and my mothers child, just did what ever I always do.

Quick specs:
35 3x6 solar cells wired up in series.. cells purchased off ebay
1/4 in glass
2qt plastic epoxy (UV resistant)
Misc screws for power posts


I'm going to let the pictures do the talking...
Solar cells all soldered up and placed on tempered glass sheet 1/4 in thick. I used 1/4 brass bolts to bring the leads out (3 since I will use one to bridge a diode)

Close up of the power leads


Some blue painters tape I had laying around the house, makes an excellent dam for the to be poured plastic. I only plan to cover the cells in the pouring, I will use cheaper epoxy behind the UV resistant stuff to give it some volume and strength.


The pourable plastic and scale to get mix ratio right. (yea.. its about to turn ugly)


One last shot after getting the panel leveled up...


Got milk... no use crying over it now. I can already see the plastic seeping in under the cells. I had anticipated a thicker viscosity, but was clearly mistaken. 4 hours before I will know the true extend of the damage.


Another close up of the terminals

The aftermath... majority of the cells are covered. When I woke up this morning and saw this, I felt pretty miserable. I didn't expect this panel to put out any voltage let alone be able to charge a battery. I placed it in the sun for some testing.


Some times you just get lucky. I really didn't expect this much. I think I will have learned my lesson and get the more expensive clear epoxy next time. It will look better and I bet that the panel would produce better as well. I will be doing some testing on this panel since I now consider it to be a learning tool.

Things I am going to try to do:
See how well the plastic seals the cells to the glass. I had thought about etching the outer edge of the glass to give the plastic something to hold on to. I tried to pry the plastic off the glass with a knife and it was do-able but tough. I still plan to put a metal frame around the entire thing.

According to the manufacturer the plastic will get harder if you can bake it at 150 degrees for at least 6 hrs. Since this is a little big for my oven, I will try to erect a solar cooker of sorts, and see what kind of curing I can gain.

Hose the whole thing down.. Yea you heard me.. I want to see if this thing is actually waterproof, and how well the plastic holds up to moisture. Basically stress the hell out of this thing, to see if its worth my while.
If anyone has any tests/suggestions what I should look out for let me know. At least I had fun working on this project... I will see if the power stays constant over the next few weeks of testing.
Editors Note:

You really need to figure out how to use the width tag on these pictures, especially if you post an entire herd of photos from an outside source.

Editor.


Plastic encased solar cell failure... or not??? | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by ghurd on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 06:20:51 PM MST
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Don't give up yet!

The Vopen is OK at least.
What is the Ishort?

And check the I into a 12V battery.

This is for a 12V PV, right?

G-




I like it (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by John II (jjones2(at)inetvisions.net) on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 07:30:34 PM MST
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I really like the technique you used... I think this is the best water proofing method... just need to use translucent epoxy next time...

John II



got cells??? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by georgeodjungle (georgeodjungle@hotmail.com) on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 08:45:26 PM MST
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if you solar cook it:
 start early.
cuz at night they work as coolers.
p.s.
how many amps are you getting?
after all,it works, just not as go as it could.
iv'e done worse.
hope you got them cells cheep and got more.



Re: Plastic encased solar cell failure (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Tom in NH (tom@altenergyweb.com) on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 10:42:44 PM MST
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Oh, there must have been an awful feeling in your stomach. My condolences. I wonder how it would be if you run a bead of silicone or other such sealent in the spaces between the cells before you flooded the back with epoxy.

Even if you had used the clear stuff it would have looked pretty bad with the clear epoxy leaking in front of the cells. Even that would probably have affected the current.

If you use the clear stuff, you might be able to get away without using a glass cover if you pour it on top of the cells, right side up. Of course, you'd need a backing in that case, but it would be cheaper than glass. --tom



Re: Plastic encased solar cell failure... or not?? (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by Volvo farmer on Sat Aug 20th, 2005 at 02:32:30 AM MST
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Ohhhh, bummer. Thanks for sharing though. I would check the Isc on this panel, I've got a 36W panel out of the oilfield with a couple of bullet holes in it. It measues almost 20V in full sun but won't even put out 1 amp@12V.

Failure is often the breeding grounds for success. I would be very interested to see if you can sucessfully encapsulate these cells in clear plastic. I really don't like the way my panels are built. They have not been tested in the elements but I'm almost certain I will have moisture problems between my panes of glass. Heck, I just installed six used double-pane windows in my new house and two of them are already showing signs of moisture between the panes... and there's no wires coming out of the sealed panes either.

Please keep us posted on your project. I think it's really neat seeing a half dozen people or so all buying these 3x6 cells and posting their ideas, projects, and results on Otherpower. Nobody has sucessfully laminated their cells yet. You might be the first guy to figure that out and have a lot of people copy your plans and be in your debt.

Volvo Farmer

May you always have success in your quest to irritate those who you despise. -Ben Goode



Re: Plastic encased solar cell failure... or not?? (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by DanG on Sat Aug 20th, 2005 at 10:35:50 AM MST
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Since it is smooth-cast resin I suspect there is a solvent that can soften and remove that stuff - I sure would call them and ask.

I apologize for not exploring the following earlier here in the forums, this is research I've put off until now.

When a translucent material touches an absorbing material (clear liquid or epoxy on a solid) there is a mirror effect from the dissimilar materials union itself. Solar cell researchers do some strange surface treatments trying to trap that refraction plus utilize the dispersion of light through the cover material-glass. I don't believe our eBay cells are designed to be immersed in anything, so when using cover glass the best arrangement would have a small air gap. If you are potting each cell in epoxy for use w/o cover glass I'd clean the PV cell w/ residue free solvent or alcohol to chase off any fingerprint oil or flux wax from assembly line.

Argon is 18th element on the periodic table, so one could release a shot of argon onto coverglass with the same blue-tape mold as you used and it would puddle there (in a calm-air room) and displace oxygen and moisture in the air while you laid in strings of PV cells and sealed edges with thin beads of silicon or even strips of clear tape, if you leave enough gap between cells to let the encapsulant bond each between each cell to coverglass. Go talk to an industrial gas supplier or welding shop. You could come home w/ a plastic lawn'n leaf bag inflated w/ argon for free : )

Pure fused silicon dioxide glass does not absorb UV light - but everyday common soda-lime glass filters wavelengths below 400 nm. Near-UV (400-450nm) does transmit through common glass, so count window glass as 46% U.V. blocking (per art conservation reference) and plexiglass as 75% U.V. blocking, so the UV protection requirement for encapsulent is much lower then open air exposure!

When reading manufacturers literature be sure to read between the lines. The opaque solids are the UV protectorant, very likely UV resistant stuff is nearly the same acrylic base as both grades of resin but with titanium dioxide or some other UV inert material added. Just brushing on a layer of UV blocker around cell edge gaps, painting on a solid coat will protect the backing material adequately I believe.

I know there is more to write, but my hour of online is over on this beautious Saturday morning - g'day people...



Some first results (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by cr8zy1van (salsa117@hotmail.com) on Sat Aug 20th, 2005 at 05:00:27 PM MST
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I tested the panel in full sunlight connected to a completely dead battery. Open voltage was 18.8V, and connected to the battery was about 11V. The battery has been sitting in a dead UPS at my work and the voltage is about 0.3V.. The only other load I could lay my hands on was a linear actuator rated at 90V. The panel did move the actuator but really slowly.  



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