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Larger props vs smaller


By badmoonryzn, Section Homebrewed Electricity
Posted on Sun Nov 05, 2006 at 07:33:36 AM MST
how would larger props "12 foot" effect the ten foot wind turbine project

I am building the newer 10 footer to start with as I have an old 50' ham tower to install it on, thus lowering the cost. I am wondering if it would help any to make my blades two feet larger. I am starting with six foot fir clear 2x10s and I can just as easy make then six foot long and two inches wider. It would allow more sweep and a bit more surface area. I have sailing as a background and I know there is nothing like displacement. My tower will handle the load and the time spent making the props will be mostly the same.  Thanks all I sure enjoy this sites comradery!

Regards,
badmoon

Larger props vs smaller | 4 comments (4 topical)

Re: Larger props vs smaller (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Flux on Sun Nov 05, 2006 at 12:57:40 AM MST

Yes you will get more power from 12 ft than 10.

The only snag as far as I can see is that you are copying Dan's 10ft design and that is intended for 10ft . As far as I can remember Dan doesn't have a 12ft design.

If you are new at this, then you would be advised to stick to a working design. Just adding bigger blades to an alternator matched for smaller ones needs thought, there are lots of possible problems.

Look at Hugh Piggot's plans or check through postings here to see if anyone has given details of a satisfactory 12ft machine, including furling details.

Failing that, look at Dan's bigger machines, find the nearest to 12ft. You will be able to widen the air gap and add line resistance to make it work at 12ft. You could upgrade to full size later if your tower looks to be strong enough.

Flux



Re: Larger props vs smaller (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by badmoonryzn on Sun Nov 05, 2006 at 03:55:49 AM MST

Hello Flux,

I suppose I am somewhat lucky as I have rebuilt dozens of alternators and starters as I worked for a company as their electritian for quite a few years and I got to be around some really smart old timers who passed on much of their knowledge to my pea brain. One of my friends ask why I did'nt make my own design and double the amount of magnets and coils so i could get slower speed generation, however I did not want to spend the next two years with prototypes. In theroy there are many things to try however practical use is another thing. I have spent the last couple of months reading everything I could get my hands on and settled on the newer still active ten foot design. I myself like the design and the poslished look of the unit plus the ability to furl. Most of my hobbies have been in DC electic motors and I have made qite a few of those too. I have used the little 1/10 scale RC motors and the 24 volt motors for the scooters to make generators and they work well, however they need to turn at 300 plus rpm to get much power out of them, they need a gearbox, they cog and stall easy. I played with lighting the outside lights in the garden and yard and they worked OK, but I want to get off of the grid at some point in my life and those little things will not get me there, but the process has been useful. I have a large river running through the back yard and I want to use wind, water and solar in combination to get the job done. The space I have to use is almost 3 acres in a rural setting and i hope one of these designs of alternators will prove useful running my waterwheel too. Time will tell and I still have so much to learn. Its funny the more I learn the more I realise how much I need to learn. I have ran my own computer electronics store for the last ten years and due to my back injury I have slowed down a lot as I have lost the ability to stand for more than a hour or two a day, but I can still get around ans I suppose I should build an electric wheelchair so when the day comes where I can't walk i'll have some way to get around. Oh well, I hope things will get better not worse. I am just getting my feet wet and I'm sure I will need lots of help. I have many useful things that will help me save alot of money by doing it myself and it really does look like a load of fun. I figure if one is having fun in life doing what they would like one is really very lucky. I believe I have stumbled on to a bunch of people who are pashonet about what they do and have a good time doing it and passing it on. Oh well, I have been a bit wordy, but it is hard to contain my excitement.Oh one more thing do you know of a place where there is a chart that tell you the winding/magnets/diameter/wireguage/RPM equils whatever might be located. i found such a formula somewhere but I can not find it again. I thought I bookmarked the site but I guess not.

Thanks for the input!

Regards,
Dennis/Badmoonryzn

I just wanna have some fun, maybe learn something new every day and make some friends in the process.
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Re: Larger props vs smaller (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by DanB on Sun Nov 05, 2006 at 07:49:21 AM MST

We've made a couple just like the 10' machines we make, but we used larger magnets (2" dia x 1/2" thick disks).  The stator (for a 48V machine) we wound with 125 turns of #16 gage wire.  The cutin speed is around 120rpm and they seem to work pretty well.  We've done one this way, and another one similar (larger disk magnets) but with the stator identical to the 10' machines.

On those we made the tail boom 6' long and offset the alternator 6".

I think people have had good luck with Hughs 12' design and theres lots of them out there  - it seems to be a well tested/fairly proven system at this point.



Re: Larger props vs smaller (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by badmoonryzn on Sun Nov 05, 2006 at 01:02:10 PM MST

I suppose I should learn to walk before I try to run and stick with proven designs. After I get a few stators and rotors built I can start to play around with other formulas. I do not understand the supple differences in 10' vs. 12' props. It seems to me that the more air you catch the lower wind speed needed to turn the unit. I need to find a formula that tells the cut in speeds, prop size, windings, wire size, magnet size, air gap and so on as it would save a lot of time for me. I can see just how much there is to put together to get one of these things to go. I have spent the last several months reading all I could find in the library and on the internet. It was hard for me to believe how much data the Europeans countries have on wind and water generation. Thanks for your input!

regards,

Badmoonryzn/Dennis

I just wanna have some fun, maybe learn something new every day and make some friends in the process.
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