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Cad files?


By rotornuts, Section Mechanical
Posted on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:47:12 PM MST
3D CAD files of blades

I have a version of a popular Cad/Cam program at home now compliments of my employment and while I've used the lathe package at work we don't run any of our mills G-code (Mazak conversational controls, G-code in the background).

I'd like to start playing with the milling package but I haven't yet found any 3d Cad files of blades. I could generate my own and someday will but the milling is far more complex than 2d lathe work and I'm eager to see what kind of G-Code this will spit out.

Configuring the post processor will take time as will all the chaining etc. so if I can jumpstart the process with a ready cad file that would be nice.

Anyone have a file on hand or know of any link to one.

I remember Ron had posted one of a lakota blade he sized up but I haven't found it yet.

I wish my employment didn't keep me so busy so I could play with windmills again. For now if I can do the parts that are related to work that will keep me happy.

Formats are anything readable by autocad or solidworks, .DXF, .DWG, .IGS, .SAT, .XMT, .PAR, .STL etc.

Most dxf files of 2d blade profiles are points only and it's a bit of a pain to join them all at my level of knowledge. Things will improve as joining the point should be a simple operation.

Thanks

Mike

Cad files? | 5 comments (5 topical)

Hidden in Diary (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by wdyasq on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 08:25:10 AM MST

Mike,

Perhaps this is the post:

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2005/11/10/171555/99

I have a 5m diameter bladeset modeled also - I think it is using the S809 airfoil.

I have a couple of projects that will require new profiles and twists. I doubt I will get to them anytime soon.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen



Re: Cad files? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by richhagen on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 10:53:03 AM MST

Hi Mike, I have a copy of the .dxf from Ron's earlier post, but he beat me to it in response.  I also have g-code files for a few different blades if you need them as well.  They are files for the top and bottom, and carve from the root out to the tip.  Up to this point, I have always been generating my G-codes for blades via my own scripting, and I have kind of automated that for my purposes.  For making a single part that is not a blade, coding by hand can get tedious.  If you are making a bunch of the same thing, it's not so bad, but I often find I want to make only one of an item as well, especially for jigs and fixtures.  I have access to CAD and can generate .DXF files of things I want to carve, but getting from there to G-code files for the top and bottom of things I want to carve has proven more difficult than I would have thought.  This has to be a common problem.  I have ACE Converter, which I can use for some 2D stuff if I tweak it a bit for the tool off sets, but I don't have anything for the 3d stuff.  I have yet another pinewood derby car to carve this year, Joel's car last year was a shark, that was a combination of CNC and good old hand carving, but this year he wants it modeled after a toy he has.  I can create a 3D .dxf file for it, but I'm not sure how to convert that into two g-code files for the top and bottom.  It should be a similar issue to a 3D blade I would think.  
Anyway, let me know if you need g-codes for a particular sized blade, and its TSR.  Also if you have a preferred air-foil for it.  I can generate the code in short order by plugging in the profile points for the air foil and using a model for the optimum angle and chord width (I usually just use Hugh's) and then I can off set it for your desired end mill type.  It's not standard CAD-CAM, but it works. It will be a bit of work, but for you, or Ron who have both contributed knowledge and ideas which helped enable be to carve these, it would be a pleasure.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'


Re: Cad files? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by rotornuts on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 10:27:06 PM MST

Thanks for the replies,

Ron, I've opened the IGS file and initially it looks like GibbsCam sees the entire piece as one surface so I guess now it's time for me to learn how to seperate the surfaces. Your file will work well as a learning experiment. If I get it right I'll post a generic G-code file of the part. I see CNC as a good way to make proper molds for blade fabrication or running off complex profiles. There's not much we can't do at the shop with a 4th axis involved it's just a matter of how to hold it and how many operations are involved and what tooling to use and what speeds and feeds and... 5 axis would be nice.

Thank you,

Rich, I've followed your CNC experiments in the past and compliment you on your achievements. I know it's not easy and I realize the tremendous amount of code required to cut the blades you've shown us. Longhand programming a 3d surface with the stepovers you need is a big job and I can imagine but would be reluctant to do it. I envision realizing I maybe should have used a different sart point and then the sinking feeling would come. You could program incrementally but that's not that fun either.

I'd realy like to see a sample of your g-code so I can get a view of how your machine runs. Can it handle canned cycles, not that they would help for blade carving. Can you loop a sub program or even use a sub program. Some controllers will allow looping within the program without a sub call. This could be used to loop an incremental line that could impart a twist and taper although it would be constant. Will your controller allow for macro programming or is that how you allready progam? A macro could be used to scale  each stepover by a specific percentage and impart an incremental move as well this would allow for deminishing twist and taper. Don't think I could write that one though with out a bit of research.

Lot's of questions and maybe some suggestions.

Thanks,

CNC is fun.

I don't have any pictures at home of some of the parts we 've run at work but I grabbed this image from the National Oilwell site.

I've programmed and run the indicator head (housing the digital meter) and the couplings on Either side of the activator as well as the activating levers on either side of the lower coupling on the assembly to the left. The activating levers are .225 thick and 1.01 long. Fairly basic shapes but challenging never the less. We send them out uncoated and National has them plated to make 'em all shiny.


Mike



Re: Cad files? (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by wdyasq on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:33:50 PM MST

Mike,

If you have too much of a problem, let me know I think I can split the thing fairly easily.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen
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Re: Cad files? (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by rotornuts on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:14:24 PM MST

Thanks,

Mike


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