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How to number out 12 pole winding for rewind conversions


By zubbly, Section Mechanical
Posted on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 12:12:03 AM MST
if you can paint by numbers you can connect by numbers :=)

hey guys!

there seems to be more interest in motor conversions lately (that is great) and some of you are even attempting to rewind their own stators (thats great also).

the most common motor stators are 36 slot(for 3 phase) (slots are where the coils sit)

if you are going to attempt a rewind, actually, 12 pole would be the simplest to wind in my opinion as the coils are all the same size and multiple coil spans are not used.
it is the most poles you can acheive for a 36 slot stator, and will give you a better chance to successfully feed a transformer if that is your intent, as you would have 60 cycle at 600 rpm.

i am trying to establish a standard way for all of us to help each other when looking for rewind and connection information. i think most of us at one time did a nice painting by numbers, and i think using a numbering system would be the easiest way of how to connect the stator winding.

i have drawn a picture of a complete 12 pole winding inserted into a 36 slot stator (stator plate drawing courtecy of RonB). at first glance you will think WHOA!  LOL
just look at it one phase at a time and you will see how simple the coils are spaced and numbered out. the easiest way is to insert one phase at a time, number it and then continue on with the other 2 phases. in the end, you pick your connection you want and happy soldering away you go. the coil end numbers in the diagram do not represent what the numbers of the actual lead wires will be. they are merely a way to find the correct magnet wire end to go onto a specific lead wire that will lead to the connection box on the motor.

for now, this is just where to insert the coils and how to number the coil ends. in a few days, i will start to give you all the possible connections you could apply to this winding. and just a note, if you wanted to go to all the work and actually bring out all the coil ends as leads, you basically could have a unit that would be connectible for just about any battery voltage charging system or use it for high voltage heating.

Attention administration: i purposely left the single pic a little on the large size as it shows the small lines better )shoot me later if you want ;)



zubbly


Thanks to wdyasq [Ron] for the resized picture to replace zubbly's somewhat larger one.
How to number out 12 pole winding for rewind conversions | 5 comments (5 topical)

Re: How to number out 12 pole winding for rewind (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by coldspot on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:20:13 PM MST

"Mr. Zubbly"
Let be the first to say
THANK YOU
Have a GREAT Day/Night!!!!!
l8r



Re: How to number out 12 pole winding for rewind (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by windy on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 10:04:06 PM MST

Zubbly
 Thanks for the drawing!
I had planned on posting my picture of the coil placements to see if my idea would work but you beat me to it.Wasn't sure of the coil numbering but am now.

 windy



Re: How to number out 12 pole winding for rewind (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by wdyasq on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 05:18:14 AM MST

http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/284/12pole36slot.jpg

I can't figure out what is so hard about making file sizes smaller...
Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen



Re: How to number out 12 pole winding for (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by windstuffnow on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 08:14:19 AM MST

  Thats pretty slick Zubbly !   You can also use 12 coils per phase sharring slots for the coil legs.   When I was doing the slotted axial stators it almost seemed easier to do them that way.  If you do it that way you have to remember to reverse every other coil.  

  I've been hashing over the idea of removing the laminants of the old 10 pole motor and breaking it down to make 3 2" thick stators.

  Also, I have a pm motor which is 3 phase which has a very odd winding/magnet configuration.   There are 51 coils and 46 magnets.... another odd duck but very interesting...

.
Have Fun! Windstuff Ed



Re: How to number out 12 pole winding for (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by zubbly on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 09:14:36 AM MST

hi Windstuffnow!

2 coil legs per slot is also a common type of winding (series pole connection)

the reason i prefer to use the one coil side per slot is the slight gain in room in the slot. when 2 coil legs share the slot, it really should have a seperator strip between them. this way i can maximize the magnet wire size to the fullest. you also only need to make 1/2 the number of coils and you only need to work in that slot once. if a single circuit were chosen to connect the winding, consequent pole would need 5 jumpers  within the phase, series pole would need 11 jumpers within the phase. thats 18 connections not having to be made by using the 1 coil/slot method.

2 coil sides per slot however, does give you more coil span options to make it easier to accomodate the mag width you have.

zubbly

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