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Short-Range Communications


By Slingshot, Section Remote Living
Posted on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 05:23:32 PM MST
$20 / Pair Two-Way Radios that Meet Their Specs!

This may be a little off-topic, but there's lots of times when two-way communication is really handy - one guy on a tower and one on the ground, one in the woods and one in the cabin, etc.

Anyway, anyone familiar with the FRS/GMRS series of radios now offered by a lot of different makers probably knows that the "range" claims are generally over-optimistic.  This weekend I bought a set by Motorola that literally amazed me.  They performed better than advertised, had a rich set of features, NOAA weather reception, etc, and they're currently on clearance for $20 a pair.

Outpost.com has these Motorola 7400 units on sale for $20 after a $10
rebate, with free shipping:

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4885200?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Same deal is available in-store, if you have a "Fry's Electronics" nearby.  The in-store sale runs from last Friday through tomorrow.  I don't know how long the online deal will be good, but chances are the price will go back up Wednesday.

The units have a pretty good feature set - 22 channels, 99 squelch codes (38 seems the norm), channel and code scan, vibrate alert mode, 8 weather channels, VOX (voice-operated transmit, great when you need both hands to do something else), and accessory (mic/ear audio) jacks.

Advertised range is "up to 8 miles".  I always take these claims with a large grain of salt, but when I looked at the radios I was encouraged by (1) the larger physical size / antenna and (2) the fact that they used AA batteries.  AA batteries have over twice the energy content of the AAAs used by many radios, and the prices is about the same.  I decided to risk $20 and give the radios a shot.

First of all, the claimed range is 8 miles over water and 6 on land, line-of-sight.  We set out yesterday morning to check the range.  I'm in Dallas, and it's hard to find a long straight stretch of road, but we wound up going out I-30 east toward Rockwall.  I dropped my friend off at "Snuffers", a roadside restaurant with an outdoor patio, so he wouldn't have to stand in the sun.  For those who want to check a map, Snuffers is at the Ridge Road exit on I-30, just east of Lake Ray
Hubbard.  I took off back down the highway toward Dallas.

I didn't expect to meet the claimed range, for several reasons.  First, I assumed the claims would be optimistic; second, I was using rechargeable batteries which have lower terminal voltage than the fresh alkalines that were probably used for testing; and third, I wouldn't have true line-of-sight due to buildings, bridges, hills, etc.

Anyway, to make a long story short, we were reading one another pretty well at the 6-mile point (mfrs claimed land range), even though I was still sitting in the cab of my truck.  Somewhere around 7 miles we started breaking up when I'd go down hills.  At 8 miles I stopped on a high spot, got out of the truck, and found that we still had strong signal and clear audio.  And we were still readable using the half-watt channels also.

The last point we checked had me at the intersection of I-30 and I-635 in Dallas, on high ground outside the truck, with him on the Snuffers patio back in Rockwall.  At this point we were both getting some crackle on the audio.  Distance is almost 10 miles, three of which were across water.  Terrain was not ideal, but it was approximately line-of-sight.

I stopped the test at this point because it was going to take some major effort from where I had exited to get back on I-30 pointed west, and then there would be a 3-level highway interchange and some more hills between us anyway.  Plus, we were both hungry for lunch.

Needless to say, my buddy is heading over to Fry's today to grab a couple of these sleepers before the sale is over.

Short-Range Communications | 6 comments (6 topical)

Re: Short-Range Communications (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by ghurd on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 12:03:20 PM MST

Dude!
"MOTOROLA T7400 Requires FCC license"  (GMRS)

Its not a FRS type, like most with only 22 channels.

If you not worried about getting caught using one, others are more powerful.

I think most FRS radios claim 2 miles.
One with the highest power allowed still claims 2 miles, but I know for certain they go MORE than 4 miles over water. That was 500 miles past the boonies.
Others with a low power rating only make it 800 meters.

My understanding, the FRS come in several 'power ratings'.
Look at the power rating to pre-judge the distance. Not the distance listed on the package.
It's the only thing I ever learned at RatShak... that was correct.

Stay of of jail,
G-

Ghurd.info



Re: Short-Range Communications (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Slingshot on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 12:34:03 PM MST

No license is required to use a dual-service radio to transmit, with less than 0.5 watts EIRP, on channels 1-14, even if the radio is capable of other channels and higher power settings.  Only GMRS licensses may transmit on channels 15-22.  Additionally, having a GMRS license allows you to use higher power (above 0.5-watt EIRP) on all channels except 8-14.  

These particular radios automatically power down to 0.5 watts on the FRS channels 8-14.  It is up to the purchaser to decide whether they want to get the license and use full GMRS priveleges.

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Re: Short-Range Communications (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by AbyssUnderground on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 12:53:21 PM MST

In the UK we can buy licesence free PMR 2 way radio's. They only cost $25. Mine cost $40 but they were worth it since they came with batteries and a charger. (Pair of them as well).

They claim a distance of 3km (1.8mi). Ive had them work a little more but they only put out 0.5W and they use the band near 70cm, meaning their range will be lower anyway compared to other hand held radios (2M amateur radio for example I can talk for around 15 miles on 0.5W but this is with a slightly better antenna.)

http://www.repowered.co.uk - My Renewable Energy site.
msn[at]m3ezw.co.uk - my msn if you want a chat.



Re: Short-Range Communications (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by Slingshot on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 03:30:53 PM MST

That is the euro equivalent of our American FRS service, which consists of 14 channels placed a few tens of MHz above our 70-cm Ham band.  The first seven interstitial channels are shared with a licensed service, GMRS, in the US.

I've gotten some amazing range from 2-meter handhelds as well, but that's by hauling a roll-up J-pole up into a tree with some line.  Our FRS radios do not allow that option, as they by law must have permanently-attached antennae.

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Re: Short-Range Communications (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by AbyssUnderground on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 05:09:09 AM MST

Ive got a 2m Slim Jim Antenna on my roof. I have had ranges of 100miles before at 30watts. As an intermediate licensed ham I can use up to 50w but my setup is either 10w, 30w or 80w so I stick within the rules at 30w.

http://www.repowered.co.uk - My Renewable Energy site.
msn[at]m3ezw.co.uk - my msn if you want a chat.
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Re: Short-Range Communications (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Shadow on Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 01:04:44 PM MST

These type radios are great if you have kids, We use them when we go Skiing, out in the boat, In the mall Christmas Shopping, at the fair the list goes on.Great for keeping in touch with other family members when we go different ways.



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