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care and feeding of your neo's


By jacquesm, Section Wind
Posted on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:46:28 PM MST
care and feeding of your neo's

Hello there all of you,


It's been a while since I was active here, my apologies but I've been working hard.


All the stuff below has probably been covered before on this board in lots of places but since the question just came up on the IRC channel I figured I'd write up the answer in a bit more structured way.


How to handle Neodymium magnets (neos) safely when building windmills or other projects:


Neos are amazing stuff to play with, but they are not without risk.


Before we can delve in to that let's first take a look at how they are produced:


Neos are made by compressing (using a tool and die press) a precisely measured out quantity of pulverized material that is not yet magnetic in to the shape of the finished product. This produces a rough surfaced 'blank'.


This blank is then coated with a thin film of metal to stop the base material of the magnet from oxidizing.

(this is why it is bad to strip away that layer, if it should flake just leave it
or close it off with some glue, don't pry off the layer because you'll only expose a larger part of the magnet to the air, which will rust away before your eyes.)


After that the blank is magnetized using an electric current that is passed through a coil. This current is extremely high but lasts very short, and it puts the magnet in such a strong magnetic field that when the current is turned off the magnet particles remain oriented along the fieldlines of the field created by the current.


Because the original material was based on a rough powder, and this powder inside it's thin metal jacket has now been magnetized to a very high degree you are basically looking at a stack of very small magnets that repell and attract each other in complicated ways kept in check by that jacket and the bonding material that was used when they produced the blank.


On the whole the best way to look at this is as something under a lot of tension that is held back but only just so. Any kind of crack in the magnetic material has the potential to unleash the force with which the pieces of the magnet want to separate and then recombine at a lesser energy state. In other words if you crack a neo badly enough pieces will fly off and will then recombine with great force, possibly sending shrapnel like pieces in all directions with great velocities.


I've had this happen to me just once but believe me I could have done without the experience.


So, after this bit of basic magnet construction on with the safety aspects.


To avoid trouble with neos here are a few basic tips on how to handle them:


- always wear gloves when handling larger (say anything over a 1"x1/4" disc)
magnets to avoid getting your skin pinched between two of them

  • wear safety glasses, in case a magnet should escape your grip and smash in to another one or something else
  • if possible have magnets you are not currently working with (as in placing them right now) attached to something made of steel
  • handle only one magnet at the time
  • place a magnet on the steel carrier a bit away from its final position (and away from other magnets) then slide it into position. That way you avoid the extremely strong magnetic fields over the other magnets by approaching them from the side. The last one is always pretty tricky because you'll have less space to work with so that's a good time to be extra careful.


I hope this helps. I'm sure there are tons of people on this board that will consider all this stuff a waste of space and time but these are not toys and to treat them without the respect they deserve is asking for trouble.


take care,


 Jacques.

care and feeding of your neo's | 8 comments (8 topical)

Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by dinges on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:05:10 PM MST

Hi Jacques.

We all know safety is for sissies. Real men don't need safety glasses.

I've had several accidents with magnets (usally pinched skin, blood blisters, sometimes drawing of blood). But one that was the scariest, handling two 2"x1"x.5" N40 magnets. They slammed together (was holding them in 2 different hands). A HUGE spark, and a piece hit me in the face with some force. Just an inch away from my eye.

I remember feeling stupid for having the magnets slam together (not that I hadn't been warned, or hadn't handled magnets before), but most of all for the not wearing of safety glasses: at the time, the glasses were not on my nose but in my shirt's breast pocket. All I needed to have done was reach into that pocket and put them on my nose.

Oh yeah. I stopped answering the question 'why do you wear safety glasses' when drilling, sawing, soldering (!), taking stuff apart, or basically doing anything else besides reading.



Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by richhagen on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:24:58 PM MST

Hi Jacques, good advice on the magnets, and it is nice to hear from you.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'


Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by zubbly on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 04:22:39 PM MST

hey Jacque!!

happy to see you keeping in touch with us!

please do it more often.

zubbly



Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Slingshot on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 12:06:21 PM MST

Is that correct?  Are the individual particles really trying to push themselves away from one another, held only by the binder and coatings?  Sounds like a cluster bomb waiting to happen.

Intuitively, I would have thought the opposite - that all the particles would have been magnetized along the same polarization, which would leave them oriented north-to-south and sticking together.  It seems that this would also be necessary for them to "sum up" to one much stronger magnet.

Jaquesm wrote:

Because the original material was based on a rough powder, and this powder inside it's thin metal jacket has now been magnetized to a very high degree you are basically looking at a stack of very small magnets that repell and attract each other in complicated ways kept in check by that jacket and the bonding material that was used when they produced the blank.



Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by RP on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:17:22 PM MST

Well top to bottom they're north to south but side to side they are north to north and south to south.

Say that three time fast!  :-)

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Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by ghurd on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 10:15:26 PM MST

Snap one in half.  Just a very small one.
Try to put it back together!

Or... Just take 2, pretend it was one that was broken. Try to get them together.
G-
Ghurd.info
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Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by Wulff on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:09:13 AM MST

I am an engineer but I am also a Journeyman Toolmaker so I have a lot of experience in hardened tool steel.
Actually a very hard (not a neo magnet) piece of steel will fly apart like that and it can cause injury.
Quite a few years ago I had two pieces of tool steel that I had hardened to over 60 Rockwell (this is VERY hard!) my prints (they were aerospace parts) called for this heat treatment. Usually after heat treatment you have to "draw back" the metal by heating it again to a lower temperature this will relieve stresses in the metal.
Anyway I was grinding them with a surface grinder (a machine with a magnetic table that you place your parts on, turn on the magnet and run it back and forth as you grind the parts flat).
I have always had a habit of making sure my magnetic chuck was on when I would walk up o continue grinding after taking a break by grabbing the parts and pushing on them.. Usually if you turn off a magnetic chuck using the switch it will demagnetize the parts so you can pick them up easily. If you lose power to the chuck (main power) the parts will continue to stick. Apparently someone (while I was gone had hit the switch as when I walked up I pushed the pieces towards each other (they were about .500" apart ) they slid and when they made contact the entire edge shattered like glass! A shard about .250" long embedded deep in my hand, the entrance wound was about .750" distance from where I ended up! I didn't even know for sure until I ran an AC electromagnet over my hand and found out where it ended up!
Because I use my hands a lot the doctor said he would leave it in but to very careful around powerful magnets as I could literally rip out of my hand!
So, as you can see... hardened steel can pack a punch (this is the idea behind fragmentation bombs!
So please be careful!




Re: care and feeding of your neo's (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by motoman465 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 12:50:40 PM MST

WOW, thanks for the info and the warnings.  I read early on that neos can cause a pinching hazard, but I had no idea they could shrapnel like that.  I will have to invest in some good quality protective gear when I am ready to start using the neos.  Thanks again, the advice you have given could really make the difference in someone's life.

Todd

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