Go to Otherpower.com Home Page Go to Forcefield Shopping Cart Go to Wondermagnet.com Home Page
Front Page - [Homebrewed Electricity-- (wind) (solar) (hydro) (steam) (controls) (storage) (mechanical)] - Classifieds - Site News
Everything - Newbies - [Remote Living-- (housing) (heat) (light) (water)] - Reviews - Diaries - Our Products
silly thought


By A6D9, Section Newbies
Posted on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 01:47:02 PM MST
water to transmit power

We all know that water will conduct electricity, right.

now does anyone know if it conducts it better then cooper?

i was thinking rather then spenign all that $$ on wires to bring our power down the tower and to our bateries, why not use a garden hose with 2 caps on it filled with water or some other solution that may conduct electricity better?

put 3 hoses up to the tower find a way to get a bus bar on both ends and let the electricity flow?   might be a problem for our colder climate ppl, but is anythign wrong with this logic?

silly thought | 5 comments (5 topical)

Re: silly thought (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by ghurd on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 07:14:08 AM MST

Actually water does not conduct electricity.  The impurities cause it to conduct.
It is still not a very good conductor.

The general concept probably comes from deaths related to electricity and water.  
My condensed understanding may miss a few points...  The water near the skin is contaminated with salts from sweat, making a fairly decent connection.  The volume of the water makes for a relatively low resistance, like resistors in parallel.  The voltage drop is low due to small current flow, and the couple hundred milliamps needed to cause death can flow.

G-
Ghurd.info



Re: silly thought (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by asheets on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 01:13:07 PM MST

Pure H20, in any of its allotropes, states, phases, and isotopes, is poorly conductive of both electricity and heat.  Impurities, such as Fe or Cl in solution, increase conductivity at the cost of phase change temperature, pH, and reactivity.

If you attempt to pass electricity through water at low wattage, water has near infinite resistance.  At higher wattages of DC, electrolysis occurs -- liberating ionic consitituents that have high potential energy and low activation energy (i.e. explosive).  At higher wattages of AC, corrosion of the holding chamber occurs, which increases as the water increases in both pH and temperature.  Depending on the contaminant, you can get a variety of dangerous, smelly, rusty, corrosive, and just plain nasty stuff
_____________________________

Alan Sheets



Re: silly thought (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by A6D9 on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 02:21:42 PM MST

ok so water is out, but any other liquid or is this just what the title says?  a silly thought.

thanx for clearign that up for me tho.   really makes sence
Thanx Darren
[ Parent ]



Re: silly thought (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by asheets on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 04:35:05 PM MST

I would think that any compound or element that has an allotrope that is conductive in a solid state would also be conductive in liquid state (and potentially conductive at high pressures in a gaseous state).  The most common ones are the solids in periods 1, 8, 11, 12, and some of 2, 13, and 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table) -- the malleable metals.  That leads to the question about why anybody would bother liquifying them for electrical transmission.

Mercury  (which are liquid at room temperature) is conductive as a liquid, but a semiconductor in one of its solid aamalgams.  It has uses in gravity switches and the like.  But there are too many disadvantages for use in large-scale electrical transmission, but does have plenty of uses in quantum electronics (CFL, neon, and argon lights, for example) in all 3 phases.

Bismuth can be made liquid at slightly above room temperature, and has the advantage of being naturally diamagetic.  It is a semi-conductor, though.
_____________________________

Alan Sheets
[ Parent ]



Re: silly thought (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by alancorey on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 10:27:47 AM MST

Many of the things that you can dissolve in water to make it conduct also make it corrosive.

One conductor I think is too often overlooked though is the Earth itself.  This varies by location and moisture content of the soil, but if you sink a couple of even 1 foot test ground rods 100 feet apart, then connect them with wire and an ohmmeter I bet you'll be surprised at how low the resistance is.  Not low enough to be practical at 12 volts, but at 117 or more you could run just 1 hot wire that's insulated and use the earth for the other conductor.  Just ask any cow that's ever dealt with an electric fence.  Most good electric fences can also burn off weeds that come in contact with them, so they're pumping some power through the earth as a return path.  At least maybe you could harvest some earthworms that you drove out of the ground.

  Alan



silly thought | 5 comments (5 topical)
Display: Sort:
Menu
· create account
· How to use the board
· FAQs
· search the board
· Google search the board

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Total Views
  80 Scoop users have viewed this posting.

Related Links
· Also by A6D9

Powered by Scoop
You must be a registered user to post here. It's easy and free, and the link is on the upper right side of your page.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Postings are owned by the poster, but may be deleted or moved at the ADMIN's sole discretion. The Rest © 2009 Forcefield.
You can Email the board ADMIN here. PLEASE include the username you signed up with!