Go to Otherpower.com Home Page Go to Forcefield Shopping Cart Go to Wondermagnet.com Home Page
Front Page - [Homebrewed Electricity-- (wind) (solar) (hydro) (steam) (controls) (storage) (mechanical)] - Classifieds - Site News
Everything - Newbies - [Remote Living-- (housing) (heat) (light) (water)] - Reviews - Diaries - Our Products
increasing tracking array size?


By Volvo farmer, Section Mechanical
Posted on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 08:38:42 PM MST
Engineers, get out your slide rules.

Just looking for an opinion as to how crazy this might be.

I've got four panels on my homebrew tracker. I want to put six on it. This is a pretty robust satellite tracker that uses a worm gear to move. It originally came with an 8' dish. I figured that to be 50 square feet. The panels that are on there now are 13.5 square feet each, for a total of 54 square feet. The additional panels would take it to 81 square feet. I'm worried about the wind load. It's usually not that windy here. 30 MPH is rare and 40 MPH is very rare. Only takes one 70MPH gust to put $5000 worth of solar panels on the ground though, if the design isn't strong enough.

The pole is 3" schedule 40 and is not going anywhere, there's a 3'x5'x20" slab around it. The metal frame for the panels themselves is very strong. I had to use a small crane to get it on top of the pole, it was too heavy for two people to lift up there.

The gears areabout 1.5" wide and cut from solid steel, seems like it would take a lot to break them, though there is quite a bit of mechanical advantage from the edges of the array, 5' away.

So There seem to be some smart engineer people in here, as well as a few who seem to build OK by the seat of their pants. How bad of an idea is this? Is there any way to test structures for wind load? maybe with a pull scale and a winch?

increasing tracking array size? | 11 comments (11 topical)

Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by vawtman on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 01:59:00 PM MST

Any thoughts of building a fence around it to block the wind?



Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Waterlogged on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 02:17:48 PM MST

How about closer to the ground?
Rod



Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by RP on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 02:32:46 PM MST

Well a few thoughts on it:

A protective fence is a really good idea for that size panel.  Not only can it help shield from the windload but also shield from flying lawnchairs, tree branches and the other stuff that are more likely to break the panel up.

Consider adding a shock absorber from a car or truck across the pivot joint.  A the speeds that the tracking happens, the hydraulic damping shouldn't be too much of a load.  In the case of a broken worm gear, it will prevent whole panel flopping in the wind like a fish on the dock.  Actiually it would also provide a redundant mechanical limit of motion also.

Nice looking panel.  What does the little panel do?



Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by elvin1949 on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 02:41:21 PM MST

RP
 The small panal powers the tracker.
later
elvin

[ Parent ]


Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by TomW on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 02:48:22 PM MST

farmer of volvos;

Well, My rack is on a similar setup with 4 75 watt Siemans panels. As I recall the polar mount was rated for 1500# no wind speed given on that, however.

I fully intend to double the size one day and will not be concerned that the mount can handle it. In my case, I can park the array via software so if I was concerned I could run it all the way over East so it would have less arm on the jack being fully collapsed. My array is roughly 4 X 8 foot so 32 square feet. It does not even move in 40 mph winds near as I can tell. My rack thats bolted to the polar mount is 2" by 3/16" angle iron one top one bottom with panels mounted in one row across.

Frankly, I think you could bolt a pickup to it with no problems on it still tracking. I think balance is likely more of an issue than wind or weight if the structure is stiff and bolted together solidly.

I may go get a pic of it if I get a minute.

Just wanted to pass that on.

I am uploading pictures to the IRC Gallery now. Large for detail so a link to the album is here:

http://www.anotherpower.com/gallery/album57

Cheers.

TomW

The Truth is the Truth, even if no one believes it; and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it




Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by jlt on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 03:35:25 PM MST

you could put a counter balance on it to relieve a lot of the stress on the gears Jlt



Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by wpowokal on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 05:06:38 PM MST

Having just mounted my 6 x 130 watt panels on a homebrew tracker I was also concerned about wind, but we are having a bout of howling easterlies which are very gusty. They move a little but are still there.




The pipe is 100mm boiler tube, cemented 2.1 m into the ground, frame is 50mm box, they amount to a little over 8 square metres.

allan down under
"Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today." James Dean



Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Volvo farmer on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 06:02:55 PM MST

Thanks, all.

Well, I can't put it much lower, it's about 18" from the ground parked east or west.

Lots to think about here. Alan's pole is an inch bigger diameter than mine, and his array is still a little smaller than I plan.

Tom's will be about the same size as my current array if he doubles the size.

A fence is an OK idea, except it would have to be twelve feet tall and would need to be a long way away so it didn't block the early morning and late afternoon sun.

Hehe, MX60 said I was out of absorbtion by noon and floated five full hours today. I've got four more panels waiting to go up too. Time to buy that electric 'fridge!

Oh, and I had to ditch the self powered (little panel) idea. 12V wouldn't pull it up from it's limits. I had to run 24V out of the battery box to power the tracker.

Volvo Farmer




Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by vawtman on Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 06:22:25 PM MST

Volvo it wouldnt have to be 12ft high even half that would reduce the wind loading a bunch.



Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by richhagen on Sat Jan 27, 2007 at 07:25:48 AM MST

In the northern hemisphere, one could also make it higher on the northern side, which would never block the sun, but still reduce the pressure drop across the panels for the north-south or south-north components of the wind.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'
[ Parent ]


Re: increasing tracking array size? (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by Ungrounded Lightning Rod on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 02:25:27 AM MST

If you get the pivot axis going nearly through the wind load center-of-effort the wind can howl away madly and the panel will just rock gently.

I'd actually be more woried about the unbalanced wind force from turbulence as the wind goes past a fence than I would be about the unimpeded wind on the panels.  (Of course you might want a fence to keep debris away.  But make sure the fence is sturdy or it will BECOME flying debris in a windstorm.)

It's when the axis and the center-of-effort aren't close that the wind tears things up.  (That and when the structure is too weak to hold together against the enormous forces trying to tear the panels off - after which the load WOULD be out of balance - or the bearing is too weak and the whole assemble flaps or comes off - or the support post and/or foundation are too weak so the whole thing goes flying across the lawn.)



increasing tracking array size? | 11 comments (11 topical)
Display: Sort:
Menu
· create account
· How to use the board
· FAQs
· search the board
· Google search the board

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Total Views
  103 Scoop users have viewed this posting.

Related Links
· Also by Volvo farmer

Powered by Scoop
You must be a registered user to post here. It's easy and free, and the link is on the upper right side of your page.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Postings are owned by the poster, but may be deleted or moved at the ADMIN's sole discretion. The Rest © 2009 Forcefield.
You can Email the board ADMIN here. PLEASE include the username you signed up with!