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Mousetrap Help


By vawtman, Section Mechanical
Posted on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:04:46 AM MST
Thought i would ask the experts

Last night after many packets of poison were eaten.I saw a big fat mouse crawl underneath my wifes new car and kept it to myself.Thank goodness.

My garage/shop is unattached and heated,the little bastards just love it.

Those little handset with peanut butter things drive me nuts you get them set and bang, more stress than i have at work.

 I know this isnt wind related but could use ideas on how to build a better mousetrap.
 Maybe magnets that would flip poles when they entered and smash the crap out of them.

 Any ideas for a homebrew trap or a boughten one?

Mousetrap Help | 30 comments (30 topical)

Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by RUFUS on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 06:51:20 PM MST

I dont know why but mice were eating the plastic material i was using for wind genny tail material, and it also seems they really like chocolat, almost as much as tail material and peanut butter,put a piece of chocolat in the bottom of an empty 5 gal. bucket and leave it over night, in the morning take whats in the bucket a good distance from the garage and pour it out, by the way they will crawl up your legs in thier zeal to escape you might want to have your wife get rid of them, makes for good cam corder footage!

                                              Rufus



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by vawtman on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:14:24 PM MST

That sure would be good footage.Maybe that would kill em.LOL.She wont try to attempt it im sure.

 Nice idea with the bucket i do that with chipmunks.Make a little ladder of death. they dive into the bucket with sunflower seeds on top of water and its not a fun way to go after that.My kids( must not have brought them up right)had fun watching this occurance.Takes a couple hours.

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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by Brian H on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 05:20:35 AM MST

 I had the same problem when I lived in the country. Not just mice, but critters of every description, but especially mice, and insects (honey bees, carpenter bees and wasps), and also the occasional groundhog, skunk, raccoon, o'possum, etc...
 Every winter at the first snowfall, the house would be invaded by an army of mice. I was single and didn't want the responsibility of being a pet owner, so I bought the poison... which I later would find distributed in little piles throughout the house. In my shoes, in my pots and pans, and other unexpected places. Once I even found a little pile of it between the pillows on my bed. And I never found a single dead mouse.
 So I tried the traps. They work, but it was a full-time job keeping them set. I had half a dozen traps set throughout the house, and it was a full time job emptying out the dead mice and resetting the traps, 3 times a day, minimum.
 So I finally got wise and got a cat. POOF! instantly no more mice from that day forward. He definitely earned his keep.
 For the outside critters (well, the mammals anyway), a small bore rifle comes in handy. Or, if you've got better things to do, a medium sized dog works well. See this link for a handy solution to remove skunk odor from a dog's fur:

http://www.howtocleananything.com/tipdetails.asp?tid=1009

 For the insects, good luck! I had to wage constant war on the insects. Wasp and hornet spray for the wasps and honey bees, and powdered apicide for the carpenter bees.
 I finally got wise and moved to the city. Now I have broadband and I don't miss that "clean country livin'" at all.

Brian H
"Remember, I'm pullin' for ya'! We're all in this together!" - Red Green
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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by badmoonryzn on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 11:14:49 PM MST

What are capenter bees? We have carpneter ants, but I have never heard of the carpenter bee. Must be in another country.

Badmoon
I just wanna have some fun, maybe learn something new every day and make some friends in the process.
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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#24)
by Gordy on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:21:58 AM MST

Badmoon,

Carpenter bees like carpenter ants burrow in to wood. My dad brought some bees (dead ones) and a slice of the log / hive back home from AZ.

Gordy

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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#26)
by elvin1949 on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 11:12:42 AM MST

Badmoon
 Also called Bumble bee or Mason bee.
The only Bee native to the US.
Honey Bee's were imported.
later
elvin

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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by richhagen on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:19:14 PM MST

Hmm, build a better moustrap?  Well, first off, my dealings with pests tell me that first figure out what they need, namely food, shelter, and water, and figure out how to deny as much of each as possible.  Even if you can only reduce a part of some of the things that they need, you can reduce the number of the critters that your immediate environment can support.  

SHELTER, this is probably the toughest of the three things I mentioned, as they like the same type places that we do.  It is a good idea to block any access that they may have by plugging access points to your shop if possible with steel wool, mortar, ect.  

WATER, this is also pretty difficult as the little critters can survive of the persperation from cold water pipes among other things, but elimination of standing water that they can get at doesn't hurt.  

FOOD, this is usually a little easier, while you may not be able to eliminate sources outside, good hygene in the shop and areas can reduce the food supply and make it more likely that they will eat any bate, or approach any bated traps that you put out.  (who will chew on wood when steak is readily available)  

Once you've done your best to minimize what the critters need, then you need to put traps and bate and any other reasonable control measures in place to eliminate the population.  I have had to deal with problems with buildings in the past, and basically, once I get it sealed up, throw everything but the kitchen sink at them at once.  Redundancy and overkill.  One note on traps is that they like to run along walls, and the edges of doorways, so I try to put bate and traps such that they will literally run into them when moving about.  I figure I have to get all but one of them to prevent future generations.  In a big building, at the rate that they reproduce, killing a couple here or there accomplishes nothing.  Good luck in your coming battle.  Rich
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by vawtman on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 08:39:17 PM MST

Rich i have probably the best environ for these critters.

 Shelter is often opened with gaps around to seal but with the daily stuff they probably line up waitng to get in.

 Water is plentifull during the winter from the vehicles.

 Food it seems they will eat anything even poison and drink water to survive.

 Ive read before where they like to stay close to walls.

 I just want to smash them or electrocute them with a motion detector device that would be fun, anything but set them darn traps.Caddyshackish

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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by racer on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:27:35 PM MST

I've had good luck with a empty five gallon bucket with about 3 quarts of ATF in it.
They just seem to like the sweet smell. Drowning in ATF is not the best way to go but it works.



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by veewee77 on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:44:24 PM MST

Here is a way to make the old fashioned mousetrap nearly 100% effective.

The problem is that the little turds are careful enough that they can steal the peanut butter from the trigger without setting it off.

Do this and they won't be able to get it of without setting it off.

Load the trigger with the peanut butter and then take a small scrap of paper towel and knead it into the peanut butter. Make sure it gets in there good and soaks up good.  Then set the trigger and place the trap.

The mouse will not be able to get the peanut better through the paper towel without setting off the trigger.

Very effective!

Doug



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by hiker on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:52:02 PM MST

hmm..

 what about a electric trap..tinfoil base--small plastic bowl on top of base-line the
 bowl with tinfoil--fill the bowl with the meces favorite brew--[hook one wire to the   base and one wire to the bowl liner- plug in to a 110 outlet]--when the little varmits
stop in for a cool one--they will complete the circute--.......poof.........
WILD IN ALASKA



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by hiker on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:55:53 PM MST

might be a good idea to have a fuse-on the line -just for safty......
WILD IN ALASKA
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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Countryboy on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:58:20 PM MST

Have we forgotten the benefits of a good old-fashioned cat?  Give the cat enough cat food to keep it around, but make sure you keep the cat hungry.

Simple, and very effective.



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by vawtman on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 08:19:19 PM MST

Counntryboy i hate cats almost has much has mice.Sorry to the cat lovers.


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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by machead on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 09:00:24 PM MST

You might try the 5 gallon bucket trap.

http://www.kountrylife.com/content/gal1017.htm

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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by David HK on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 09:29:37 PM MST

Go to this web site and move to the Electric Fence section

http://www.homepower.com/files/electricfence.pdf?search=electric%20fence

25,000 volts ahould be enough to put it in low earth orbit!

Make sure the wife does not touch it by mistake, or you may go into outer space.

David HK



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by hobot on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 10:57:05 PM MST

Steel wool and urothane foam will stop em where cement
wood and wire don't.

Shop online or feed supply for windup repeater traps.

If you can keep pets and childern away, hard to beat the
sweet taste temptaion of anti freeze as plain liguid or soaked
in something that can be tossed in hidden spaces.

In pack rat territory they store cars with glove box open
and hood bricked up a few inches or they feel secure
enough to nest and enjoy wire insulation snacks.

In a city home had actually rats move in so tried clap traps
but they set em off then eat the bait, so I got 'trickier
and trickier' until last mechanical attempt had 5 gal bucket
by a bench so they could only jump to get the bait barely
suspended on separated layer of toilet tissue to make em
miss step and not see the bottom fully covered
in set traps... I slipped once, ok twice and set a trap off
which set em all off, barely escaping myself yet on next
AM each trap was sprung and no food or rat in bucket : (

hobot



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by electrondady1 on Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 11:24:36 PM MST

mice found a way into my house this year.
that's a capital offence!

they were getting into my kitchen drawers and craping on my counter top. real nice!

v man, here is a very good trick
take the lid off a  big juice can and lay it down horizontaly were you think they may be moving around . once the trap is baited and set, place it in the  juice can .
mind your fingers,lol
the mice have to approch the trap head first through the open mouth of the can.
it's a quick clean kill.  


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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by terry5732 on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 11:22:56 PM MST

I have had them eat both steel wool and the expanding spray foam. And the foam was still the horribly sticky unset mess on the inside when they got there. They are working on heavy aluminum flashing currently.

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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by elvin1949 on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 12:25:47 AM MST

V-Man
 I have to agree with Countryboy.GET A CAT.
Live in the woods here,norway [warf] rat's took over the place 5 yr's ago.A friend gave me a
housecat-bobcat cross 8 week's old tom.
Locked it in the house and took a weekend trip,got
home after three day's and what did i find.
 One fat cat and no more Rat's or Mice.
Been that way 5 yr's now.I tried everything else,
Nothing worked till i got the cat.
Later
Elvin



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by Stonebrain on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:17:19 AM MST

I don't like cats eating birds.
I thought some mice don't hurt.
Till they started destroying blankets.
You can trap some but they allways come back.
Pussy was the only solution.
You have to choose:mice or a cat.
Don't let the cat reproduce,that's worse than mice.



cheers,
stonebrain



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by nothing to lose on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 07:15:04 AM MST

Put cheese in bottom of a large paper grocery sack, sit still and watch the mouse walk around it and look over it etc.. kinda fun, then when he goes into the sack for cheese pick it up fast, he's in the bottom confused and you just carry it off, give to cat or release far off in the woods.
 I have done this a few times in the past. Too bad mice are nasty and ruin things, they are are kinda cute.

Mice can't climb well in a metal container, glass, porcilain, etc.. and especailly if wet.
If you don't want to drownd them, use such type of large container with a little water in bottom to keep their feet wet, if you do want to drowned them use about 6" of water.
 Set container where they can walk up to it and fall in, set bait in some way to attracked them to crawl into it.

Under counter or shop table maybe hang a string that lowers into the container about even with the top or a little below the top and bait end of string, so they have to strech to reach for it, plop they fall in and are trapped.
 A metal bucket, an old deep kitchen sink, glass gallon jar, etc... should work well, just make it easy for them to get to the top of it, like a ramp or set it next to a shelf about same height.

You could also use a trap door type system. Make a ramp for them to run up and across the top of the container from one side only, put bait on other side, small sectoin of ramp over the bucket is hinged with a loose spring so their body weight causes it to drop as they walk acrossed it to get to the bait. Mouse falls into bucket and ramp raises for the next mouse to try.

I have found mice fallen into kicthen sinks and trapped, like when the trap froze in an unused house and the sink would not drain, mouse fell in and was trapped. Also I think same house I found one in a toliet, same thing fell in and trapped. Mice also cannot jump very high when wet to get out of such a trap, and also not jump at all if in about 6" of water.

How you want to get rid of live mice then? Feed to cat. Don't like cats? Get a pet Snake :)
 Maybe dump them off as you drive by a wooded area in the middle of nowhere far from home.

Another mice catching trick is to hinge the lid on a can, cut it to be maybe 1/2" short of reaching to the bottom when can is laid on side. Fasten can so it cannot rollover. Place bait inside at the solid end of can. Mouse will look it over well and feel it is safe, then pushes it's way into the can raising the hinged lid as it crawls by, the lid drops and mouse is trapped inside. You'll need to fix the lid so it can only push into the can and not outwards away from the can, a simple pin works or mount it to a board with the hole in board cut smaller then the lid.
 Reason you want the bottom edge of lid a bit short is so mouse can see under it and inside the can, but do not make it short enought he can crawl back out under it.
 To release the mouse turn can over so lid falls inside and and sit it down so mouse can crawl out or dump him out.
 Can trap cna be reused as often as wanted if you remove the live mice, but if you let them die in the can it makes a smell that stops other mice from entering latter.
 Cans are free so make as many as needed when ever you need them, just eat lots of food in large cans.
 Manwich, Spaghetie sauce, large juice cans etc.. Wash them out and put peanut butter in there.
.
nothing to lose

Spelin and tpying are my strong points, not electronics.



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by alancorey on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 10:22:36 AM MST

We use something like the 5 gal bucket traps shown except ours have a coffee can upside down balanced on a pivot rod.  You put peanut butter on the can bottom, then put a stick for a ramp that doesn't quite reach it so the mice have to jump.  The can unbalances when they land and they can't hold onto the steel anyway so they fall off in the water.  We have 2 in the basement and empty them about once a week.  Sometimes 6 or more mice per week per trap in the peak of the season.  Then there are ravens that will eat the drowned mice and kitchen scraps.  I'd much rather have a cat though.

  Alan



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by vawtman on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:52:15 PM MST

Thanks for all the great advice everyone.Lots of options.

 One thing i didnt mention yet was a couple months ago i opened a drawer in my toolbox i rarely use and lo and behold a nest.Grabbed the nest and heres a mom with 8 babies sucking on her threw them out and she took off with the babies still stuck.
 Gross and i know their favorite spot by the stove on a shelf above it.
  I will defeat them.



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by PeterAVT on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 08:48:01 PM MST

Get a cat.
worked for me, they were gone in a week and I haven't seen another one in 30 years.
AKA "inode_buddha" Power to the people!


Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#25)
by vawtman on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 08:36:04 AM MST

Hi Peter

 Back when i was doing the poisonings i never saw a dead mouse from it but a stray cat showed up for a couple days.

 Wonder what would happen to a cat if it ate a poisoned mouse.Cant be good.



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#27)
by jmk on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 07:20:33 AM MST

 We lost our Schnauzer because he ate the slow moving poisoned mice.
jmk
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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#28)
by HandCrank on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 04:33:29 AM MST

Couldn't let this one go.

My wife and I moved in with my dear aged grandfather, who had the worst mouse problem I ever saw.  After going through legs chewed off in snap traps, missing traps, glue traps, and mice with nothing but there bellies caught in the trap (had to beat that one to death :(, I knew there had to be a better way.

My solution: 4 steel catch'em live type traps with peanut butter crackers inside. Now I was not in merciful mood at this point, fellas, and it was never my intention to let the wee tim'rous sleekit beasties go free.  That being said, I found a nice cardboard box that just fit the reusable traps.  I stacked the traps in the box and sealed the box with packaging tape.  Low on time, and the next four-legged wave moving in as I worked, I cut a half inch hole in the top for exhaust, and a hole that fit the size and height of the tail pipe on my Subaru on the front.

A mere 4-5 minutes of combusted unleaded, in the form of carbon-monoxide, was enough to send a baker's dozen of the black rice factories painlessly across the river Stix - all in one go.  My wife didn't approve of my mass killings and came to call the set-up "Mouschwitz" in order to highlight my evil ways.  But the house was soon critter free, and no more turds on the silverware.

I highly recommend this as a humane (albeit more disturbing) and time efficient alternative to beating, crushing, or shocking.

As a post script, I have to give an endorsement to those Sunbeam electronic pest repellers.  Four of them seemed to keep the buggers out of the bedroom.



Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#29)
by Tritium on Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 11:37:15 AM MST

I use a bucket of regular car antifreeze in my shop where there are ONLY mice and rats and no other victims to be poisoned. They usuallly die in the antifreeze.

Thurmond

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Re: Mousetrap Help (3.00 / 0) (#30)
by helowrench on Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 10:19:57 PM MST

I have used a simple jar lid or shallow dish filled with any carbonated sweet soda.
vermin cannot burp and bang goes their insides. One note of caution is do not place these "traps" near their nest entrances, or you have to tear the wall open to get the decomposing bedies out.

As long as you use 2ounce or so amounts, your pets will not be harmed, although it can be quite a fight to keep a dog away from the "bait"

good luck
Rob

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