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VAWT fiddling started...


By DamonHD, Section Diaries
Posted on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 03:18:31 PM MST
One poor prototype becalmed, and one moderate idea...

Hi,

Although I'm more a programmer than a carpenter (or whatever the equivalent in plastic is), I'm having a small go at understanding a simple drag-type S-VAWT made from an empty drink bottle.  Not to drive any sort of generator, just to move.

At the moment my little prototype is becalmed by a complete absence of wind (and a poor bearing) though I'm sure I saw it twitch a few mm in the right direction when we had a little puff of breeze.

* * *

My moderate idea is this: for small VAWTs, rather than have them sat on the ground with the motor bearing taking the weight (ie in compression) would an alternative to be to suspend the VAWT blades from the motor spindle (ie in tension) with the motor on a universal joint and/or the blades suspended on a piece of slightly twistable cord to avoid some of the side-to-side wear/torque?  Getting everything slightly off the ground is likely to improve wind speed/flow a little, just to start with.

The bottom of the blades at the centre could be fixed to the floor via another cird and bearing, or simply allowed to hang free, maybe with a small weight.

I'm think of constructions from the size of a Chinese lantern up to a plastic barrel VAWT.  Maybe good for Watts through to tens of Watts in low wind speed.

Any chance of it being do-able or sensible?

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by disaray1 on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 10:11:09 AM MST
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 Ahhh. Damon has the fever. Who's got a thermometer? BTW, the only difference between a oral thermometer and rectal thermometer, is the taste. :-P

 I think your moderate idea would work, and as an experiment would be fine. Maybe FeralAir can chime in about his current experience with hanging the rotor from the top. I'm in the process of putting a S type together that'll be heavy. I scrounged a  clutch throw-out bearing from a Porsche 930 for the rig to sit atop and not transfer any compression loads onto the outputshaft. I think these things need solid top and bottom support to be safe and stable.

 Height- the higher the better- just like hawt, it wants clean air.

 Think low speed with Savonius. Your gen will either need to be able to produce at low rpm, or gearing will need to be implemented to get the alt speed up. I think Ghurd suggested a stepper motor for small units.

 Fiddle-on, dude.

 David



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by gotwind2 (ben[at]gotwind.org) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 12:45:35 PM MST
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Hi Damon.
I think you might like this mini vawt constructed from a 'Pringles' tube...

There's even a design for a mini single rotor air core axial alternator.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Pringles-Wind-Turbine-Pleech---Version-One/?ALLSTEPS

There is also a more robust version on the same site - Instructables (it's a bit childish, I love it)
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Savonius-Wind-Turbine-or-VAWT-to-make-elec/?ALLSTEPS

Have fun.

Ben.

www.gotwind.org


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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by ghurd on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 01:07:18 PM MST
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Imagine how much better the Pringles can would work if he has steel behind the magnets, and wasted less in "too thick" coils beyond the flux.

I am playing with McDonald's soda cups now.  :-)  Same idea.
G-

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 01:16:19 PM MST
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I'm so far off attaching a generator to it you'd never guess.

No, at the moment I'm just trying to make something mechanically workable.

Then I'll probably cheat and try to buy a motor/gen...

My tweaking is coming along, and I may even have something that I can put in the garden  to spin by itself tomorrow...  What I believe TomW may call "yard art" but in this case becomes "educational toy"!

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by ghurd on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 03:38:10 PM MST
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Is this optimism, pessimism, or "Heading you off at the pass"?  I don't know.

I won't put any more time or money into a small VAWT.  A 40cm diameter HAWT is cheaper, easier, and I got at least measurable power.
I certainly wouldn't bother building it dual-rotor PMA!

It is probably best suited to an 8V stepper motor for LEDs or AA nicd/nimh.
Meaning TomW's 'yard art' or a useful "educational toy".  Don't be offended. TomW is a realist looking from the perspective of powering a household instead of powering a digital camera.

It will be big fun. It could be usable, in a small sort of way.  It won't cost much (with a stepper motor).
Build a similar HAWT, be it similar in cost or swept area or whatever.
It will show why nobody has a proven commercial 50+W VAWT.
Ed might do it, but that is a completely different animal.

To summarize, slap a stepper on it and be happy.  :-)
G-


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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#10)
by fcfcfc on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 05:18:39 PM MST
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Hello All:
I am in the process of designing my own VAWT and was just looking at the posts searched by VAWT in the "wind" cat.. I ended up designing my own gen, PM disk type 3 phase. It is going to be a bear to build, but I wanted something that could be direct drive and produce good power at even 1 RPS. I was looking at Ed's stuff, interesting but tailored for higher RPS's, not efficient enough, but good to re-engineer from.
I live in a low wind spot... Don't see much over 10 MPH most of the time, so I need to take advantage of the 5 to 8 MPH market. Basically, the helix will be 4' in "diameter" and 16' tall, on top of my new barn roof starting 20' off the ground, top of helix at 40' from ground zero. I am going to use three baffles at 120 degrees to intensify the wind a bit, but the main "edge" I hope will be in the gen design..
I am just starting so I am going to build a small 32" high model first to experiment with the baffles, a "thin" airfoil design.

.....Bill


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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#11)
by electrondady1 on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 05:27:18 PM MST
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gurd have you forgotten about windside in finland ?
they have been in busness for a long time and i beleave they make a great deal more than 50 watts.


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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#16)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 02:12:45 AM MST
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Yes, they look actually plausible for me at the low end...

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#19)
by finnsawyer on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 08:44:56 AM MST
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Can you give us a link for this company, Windside?
GeoM
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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#20)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 08:48:58 AM MST
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windside.com

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#21)
by ghurd on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 09:29:31 AM MST
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Not sure I ever saw them. Interesting how the twisted blades have internal fins with bypass in the depths.
Can't figure out the charts format.  20W at 22.4 mph for the 100W version?
But "starting at $6500" for a 100W windmill head and blades sounds a bit... uh, much.
That makes solar panels look cheap!
G-

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#22)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 09:49:00 AM MST
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Yes, most of the worldwide distributors were coy with pricing, which is usually a bad sign.

The 0.3m swept area one that I was looking at was ~$9k from the US distributor.

I'm waiting for pricing from the UK distributor.

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 02:14:13 PM MST
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Ben, thanks for those links.  I had already seen them, and my current pathetic prototype borrows from them and others.

Next thing I'll be asking you where to get the magnets in the UK!  B^>

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by feral air on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 02:02:30 PM MST
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Sure, I'll chime in...good of you to think of me and my, uh, experiment...

Hanging it like that doesn't really work unfortunately. When I hung my pb-vawt from a (crude) u-joint the swinging motion took up a lot of the wind's power and it looked like it was slowing the rotation every time it swung back. It's now got top and bottom bearings and spins much faster/nicer.

I think a good-sized weight at the bottom would help a little if the weight wasn't being spun. You might be able to use a couple of magnets as bearings for that part.

If you plan to trying this out on a larger scale and more permanently then consider the stress on the bearings over time. Maybe bike wheel hubs would last a few years...that's what I'm using on my big one and I'm crossing my fingers.

If you go with gearing I think 1:10 is about right. When I hooked a radiator fan motor to my pb-vawt the ratio was 1:5 and I got a tickle-on-the-tongue for output - not quite the bite of a 9v battery. The vawt was spinning around 36rpm or so, so the motor would've only been spinning around 180rpm...

With a 1:10 ratio, when your vawt hits 100rpm the motor will spin at 1000rpm. That seems decent. If it's smaller and faster then maybe 1:8...I dunno, it's variable and needs to be done on a case-by-case basis, I think.

This came out longer than I thought it would...I'm just glad I'm not the only one with the bug!

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 01:42:21 PM MST
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Well, goodness!  I have something that turns quite well: a lungful of air has it turn at least 2 or 3 times.  Any most of it should survive rain, though is otherwise quite fragile.

And, through ham-fistedly running out of other alternatives, the bearing is at the top, with the whole device hanging down from a 'sprung' pillar.  A very small gen could fit in there at the top of the post, with wires running down the post.

I'll take its photograph 'planted' in my garden tomorrow, and see how long it takes to fall apart.

Then I can think about a real VAWT generating my usual milliWatts, when we get any breeze at all...

In any case, I'll see how quickly this one rotates.

What's the relationship between rpm, windspeed, and other design parameters for a simple Savonius VAWT?  (I'm gonna Google anyway, but I'm sure that you guys know it off by heart...)

Rgds

Damon



Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#12)
by RP (russp located-at fidnet (dot) com) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 05:32:06 PM MST
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The outer edge of a drag type rotor like a savonius will be essentially the same as the windspeed when it's unloaded.

For a 1 foot diameter rotor the circumference will be 3.14 feet so in a windspeed of 10mph, the outer edge of the rotor will be going 52800 feet/hour or 88 feet/minute.

Dividing the circumferencial speed by the actual circumference gives you 88/3.14=28rpm

I believe optimum loading for a savonius is when it's running at a tsr of 1/3 so to extract maximum power you'd want your alternator to hold it down to a little over 9rpm in a 10mph wind.

Hope this helps

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#15)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 01:54:44 AM MST
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That's a very good starting point.

I might just have the materials for a 1ft diam S to hand, so expecting ~1rpm/mph/ftdiam is a decent rule of thumb at least.  Hideously un-metric though!  B^>

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#26)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 11:01:55 AM MST
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I think that that has to be rpm = mph / ft diameter

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#13)
by feral air on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 05:54:13 PM MST
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S-vawts are hard to break down with numbers. I don't know of any way to sit down with a piece of paper and figure out exactly what size/configuration of an s-vawt you need to build get a given amount of power out. I think it's ok to go by 'feel' though...

You can't really say an s-vawt made from 6" pipe will spin this fast in this wind. Besides the height, you've got weight, air gap, bearings, general build quality, load, etc....lots of things play a part, even with a simple-S design.

Then, are you really talking about a simple Savonius? To me that means each blade is a half circle, the gap is about 18%, the blades don't overlap, there's likely a center rod and you've got end plates. Or are you talking about a modified simple S?..

I consider my quick vawt to be a modified simple S...the blades aren't half circles (though they could be), they do overlap a little, there's no center rod, the gap is totally configurable and a bottom plate is all that's really mandatory (to protect the bottom bearings from the weather).

Past about that point you get into the more complicated designs/problems and all hell breaks loose. Then you start pondering the aspect ratio..wider is better for low winds but is lower rpm, tall and skinny for high winds and high rpms. Oh, should I use those "J" looking blades?..those are more efficient. Etc.

There's just so many variables.

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#14)
by wdyasq on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 10:12:40 PM MST
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Sandia labs did several million dollars of research on VAWTs of all descriptions. They figured out many of the problems. They built many prototype mills. A great amount of data was published.

Ron
Adventure is just bad planning." -- Roald Amundsen
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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#23)
by feral air on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 10:25:45 AM MST
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For s-vawts it's easier to build the rotor first. Then you can figure out how much spinnage there is and how best to use it.

Having a good 'feel' will get you as close as running the numbers can anyway, all things considered.

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#17)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 02:29:50 AM MST
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Hi,

I don't do build quality!  What do you take me for: a civil engineer?  B^>

Anyway, my little prototype does at least turn in a tiny breeze: I'll try and get a little video before it falls apart...

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by wooferhound (tim((NoSpamAt))wooferhound.com) on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 at 01:50:31 PM MST
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I made this Vertical Turbine in a rather unique way. It's been hanging in the yard for 3 years now and it's always spinning. Never went past this point in the design, and never tried to make power with it. I think it would work really well with a shroud.

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2003/12/1/122243/608

W o o f -={(



Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#18)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 08:10:46 AM MST
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OK, some pics of this first S-VAWT prototype.  Yes it's all wrong, etc, but it's a start!

http://gallery.hd.org/_virtual/ByCategory/mechanoids/turbine/wind/tiny/vawt/

Rgds

Damon



Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#24)
by feral air on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 10:30:43 AM MST
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Do you have a direct link? I don't know what I'm looking at on that page, it's all kinds of crazy...

If it's a vid, can you post it on youtube?

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#25)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Thu Oct 4th, 2007 at 10:53:19 AM MST
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Try this page and click on the 'full' link under the 'bunny' icon, for example:

http://gallery.hd.org/_c/mechanoids/_more2007/_more10/turbine-wind-tiny-VAWT-Savonius-SVAWT-prototyp e-blades-made-from-2l-two-litre-plastic-bottle-and-CD-and-garden-stake-and-drawing-pin-thumbtack-vid eo-7-DHD.avi.html

There are JPEG stills as well, look further down the page and click on the thumbnails.

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#27)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 10:32:15 AM MST
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Doing a little experimentation while the in-laws were round.  They didn't seem to think that waving a HAWT on the end of a 10' pole was remarkable, never mind the flimsy VAWT on a stick...  Maybe the funny-farm white-coats will turn up later.

Anyway, the point of my experiment is that in (messy) wind that would not even twitch the blades of my tiny HAWTs the VAWT was happily turning, at least in part IMHO due to the extra torque of the blade area facing the wind.  In fact, the VAWT was starting to spin so fast that it was starting to self destruct a couple of times!

So, maybe tomorrow I'll start to make a slightly more substantial foot-wide Savonius rotor from a 5l water bottle.  It has square-ish corners so I'm considering as an alternative using the corners as four pieces of a squirrel-cage arrangement instead.

Any suggestions either way?  Which might give the more bang for the same buck (which is more than I shall be spending on it)?

Rgds

Damon



Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#28)
by ghurd on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 11:08:43 AM MST
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I think you mean use the largest sides, with 1 corner each, to make one of these like in warpsta's diary?
I thought about it, never tried it.  Must be better than a 4 piece squirrel cage?
http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/8909/Blade_ends.jpg
G-


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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#29)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 11:51:36 AM MST
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That's a third good alternative.

Why would it be better?  I'm after suggestions for tomorrow's labours!

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#30)
by ghurd on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 12:40:15 PM MST
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Well, 4 buckets is about like the 1000 year old low efficiency design, and Sandia spent a lot of money researching?  Plus Sandia published design ratios to keep the guess work to a minimum.

I keep thinking I'll try a tiny one with some fancy shampoo bottles, or a huge one with a heavy duty 4 gallon square pail (Sam's Club changed their "Wind Fresh" laundry detergent packaging from round to square).  'Huge' in this case being about 11" wide and 8.5" tall.  :-P

Square buckets are obviously superior to round, because 40 pounds washed 160 loads in a round bucket, and 32.5 pounds in a square bucket washes 200 loads. Large increase in efficiency!
And with a name like 'wind fresh', who could resist? See my photos for ugly30efkabucket (not a VAWT).
G-

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#31)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 01:26:21 PM MST
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Did it cut through all those wires nicely!

OK, seriously, if I do a design as you suggest, do I have the long sides meet in the middle, eg the V/cup at the outside?

What kind of angle should the long side make to a diameter?  Parallel?

Should I leave a big gap in the middle analogous to the Savonius?

This will be testing my handiwork skills severely!  B^>

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#32)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 01:36:48 PM MST
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Hi,

I realise looking at the picture again that, yes, the V/cup is at the outside: doh!

But the 'should the long part be parallel to or angled from the diameter' and 'should there be a gap in the middle' bits are non-obvious I think.  Any suggestions/feelings/prods would be welcome!

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#33)
by ghurd on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 03:48:44 PM MST
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The Sandia thing?  This isn't perfect.
The bottles of $20 a pint shampoo and $20 a pint conditioner my teenage daughter thinks she has to have are better matched to the Sandia specs, but too tiny to count.

What I was thinking for the new square buckets,
The bucket from above, the cuts, and a pair of VAWTs from 1 bucket, that probably won't work if I do it. (my VAWT luck has been less than impressive)
Use your imagination to lay this over his end profile.




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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#34)
by TomW on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 04:12:43 PM MST
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G-;

Hey, neat use of on hand parts! $20 a pint hair care products. Jeeze. Stepdaughter here is same way but lives elsewhere on her own dime so not my problem.

We get strawberry buckets occasionally from a bakery that are square tubs but a bit wider at top than bottom. Might be another source. They are 5 gallon white plastic usually. Don't have any around just now but if I see one I will get a picture.

Just remembered, I have a few of WindStuff Eds educational turbine kits here I never got to use for the class I gave after I had the heart attack. Might have to join this vawt craze and get them assembled and running.

Cheers.

TomW

Cheers.

TomW

If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.

--George S. Patton
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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#35)
by ghurd on Sat Oct 6th, 2007 at 05:04:14 PM MST
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Hey TomW,
This particular step-kid has money to burn.
Her "mother's" checking account is apparently bottomless.  Step-dad will work 32 hours a day to replenish it.  The money spent on her college education doesn't count. Her bio-dad's $5/day support really helped, before she turned 18 and before she started college. He plans on suppling a little money during her college.
Ha-Ha!  I crack myself up.
Maybe that's just how it looks from here.

I spend much time each day sitting, planning, and looking at the bottles on the bathtub. Nuff said about that situation.

I figure to split the difference on the gap (top/bottom) difference.  
Something like the spiral / helical VAWT designs.  Too much something in one place evens out too little of it in another place.
Too narrow at the top means too wide at the bottom?  Self balancing?

Ed's minigen might be perfect for this?  Low power, low RPM, but needs torque to get it going.
Not sure the educational turbine kits will get enough RPMs with this kind of blade.

Everybody should study those bottles on the bathtub tomorrow morning, shortly after the second cup of coffee.
G-

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#36)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sun Oct 7th, 2007 at 02:17:58 AM MST
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Thanks!

I hadn't thought of doing two levels...

Maybe I'll start with one level first.

Handily, my plastic bottle has indentations about 1/3rd of the way along each side just begging to be made into cuts.

Is there an 'optimal' opening size for the 'cup' or indeed between the parallel long parts?

I've found Sandia's VAWT papers but is there one in particular that covers this so I can give it a better read?

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#37)
by ghurd on Sun Oct 7th, 2007 at 09:52:19 AM MST
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They had a sketch showing ratios. Lengths, gaps, radius, etc.
My plan is to start with the radius and work from there.
My luck finding specific items on their site is not so good, but it's in there somewhere.

I have a paper copy somewhere. I'll see if I can find it tomorrow.
G-

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#38)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sun Oct 7th, 2007 at 10:03:27 AM MST
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OK, I may postpone my hacksawing until then!  My over-the-top PM gen for experiments should arrive tomorrow sometime...

As a vague handwaving suggestion, what fraction of the radius should be the open cup do you think (without the parallel long-piece covering it)?  10%, 30%, 70%?

You seem to be clear on that diagram that there is no straight-through central air gap, but that there is space for air to flow sideways from the catching cup between the overlapping long sections, if I have understood correctly.

I may go and have another look, when I'm feeling patient.  (I'm feeling cranky right now because I managed to delete ALL my stats data so far while trying to put in place a backup system for it.  Grrrrrrr.)

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#39)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sun Oct 7th, 2007 at 11:01:21 AM MST
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I think the report I need is the SAND76-0131 "WIND TUNNEL PERFORMANCE DATA FOR TWO- AND THREE-BUCKET SAVONIUS ROTORS" but at the moment I'm only able to get at the abstract...

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#40)
by DamonHD (d@hd.org) on Sun Oct 7th, 2007 at 11:20:52 AM MST
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OK, the wonder of Google pulled up the full version of that Sandia paper, but I also came across this:

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/4/20/122735/478

Rgds

Damon

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Re: VAWT fiddling started... (3.00 / 0) (#41)
by ghurd on Sun Oct 7th, 2007 at 11:29:09 AM MST
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That's the one!

Those crazy square dots in the center were just for a reference point.
Not sure what I did to the size of that sketch, but at least it's only 1.8K. :-)
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