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Led master class pt 5


By commanda, Section Light
Posted on Wed Oct 31st, 2007 at 08:04:08 AM MST
extending the circuit to make a nite-light

If you haven't already done so, I suggest you read the previous instalments here;

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/4/20/95351/1614
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/4/26/82929/6080
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/5/1/74856/25992
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2007/10/13/141930/41

As mentioned at the end of part 4, this is how to extend the circuit to make a nite-light.
Whilst mains powered nite-lights are prolific in almost any $2 shop, I have yet to see one
specifically for running off 12 or 24 volts.

My original intention with this was to use a phototransistor. And whilst circuit 5.0 does indeed work,
it is less than what I would describe as optimal. It suffers from a lack of sensitivity, and tends to come on too early.
Also, the phototransistors tend to be very directional.
At night, if you turn on the overhead room light, the nite-light won't switch off unless the phototransistor is
aimed directly at the light. But then it tends not to see the daylight coming in through the window.
It also has a fairly wide transition range, where it's not fully on.
So, having explained the short-comings of this circuit, I present it here anyway; with a photo of the bread-boarded prototype.





Note that is important to shield the phototransistor from the leds. It is usually necessary to point the phototransistor
90 degrees away from the leds, and then cover the underside of the phototransistor with opaque tape.

Circuit 5.1 is a bit more complex, but gives very satisfactory performance. Q3 & Q4 form a differential pair. Basically, if
Q3 is on, Q4 will be off. And vice-versa. When there is no light, the LDR resistance will be high. So the voltage at the base of Q4
will be higher than the voltage at the base of Q3. So Q4 will turn on, and Q3 will turn off. Q3 off will allow gate voltage on the fet,
and the leds will turn on.

When light is applied to the LDR, its resistance will be low, so the base voltage on Q4 will be lower than the base voltage on Q3.
Q3 now turns on, preventing gate voltage from being applied to the fet, so the Leds will not be on.

P1 is optional, and can be used to fine tune the sensitivity of the circuit.
R5 & D1 is also optional. It provides positive feedback to enhance the switching from off to on, as well as hysteresis.

My first unit built on the circuit of 5.1 has been running off a 24 volt plug-pak in my bathroom for some time now.

The component values shown are for my 24 volt system. You may need to decrease the values of R1, RG1, RG2, and R3 for a 12 volt system. (based on feedback from richhagen with experience of the previously published circuit 4),
Again, the LDR should be pointed 90 degrees away from the leds, and the underside covered with opaque tape.

I've also just cornered the Australian market for LDRs. I ordered 10 pieces, and received 10 packets of 100 each. (1000 pieces).





Amanda

Led master class pt 5 | 5 comments (5 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Led master class pt 5 (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by sdscott on Wed Oct 31st, 2007 at 10:47:01 AM MST
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Bravo!  I enjoy your Led-Master series of articals...



Re: Led master class pt 5 (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Devo on Wed Oct 31st, 2007 at 12:10:25 PM MST
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Yes excellent reading, probably someone will read & start marketing these nightlites for rv use etc- lol

Next year wal-mart will be mass producing them :-)

Thanks for sharing , I am either 12 or 48 volt so if anyone alters the values to make them work please post what you used so the electronically challenged like me can
try it.

Devo



Re: Led master class pt 5 (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by richhagen (richhagen (a t) Juno.com) on Wed Oct 31st, 2007 at 02:09:39 PM MST
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Thanks for posting the circuits and the explanations of their function.  They are educational and appreciated.  I have already copied some of them.  Rich Hagen
'A Joule saved is a Joule made'


Re: Led master class pt 5 (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Brian H on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:45:27 PM MST
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Excellent post, as always, thanks!

Regards,

BrianH
"Remember, I'm pullin' for ya'! We're all in this together!" - Red Green



Re: Led master class pt 5 (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by commanda (alwynne at unwired dot com dot au) on Sun Dec 9th, 2007 at 06:05:02 PM MST
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http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/2006/led_cct_51.pdf

Hopefully this will be a little easier to read.

Amanda



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