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Furling in Star and Delta


By King Budman, Section Wind
Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 02:19:08 AM MST
Furling speed Star vs. Furling speed Delta

I have done some searching but cant find exactly what I am looking for

Hopefully I have this right...

In high winds there is more torque on the alternator making it want to spin around.
Since the tail is pivoted and weighted it takes a certain wind speed(torque)to start furling.

If so...

Does the connection have anything to do with the amount of torque on the alternator?

i.e. If Star connected the windmill furls at 30 mph.  Will the same Windmill connected in Delta have less/more torque and therefore furl at a higher/lower wind speed?

Thanks in advance
King Budman

Furling in Star and Delta | 3 comments (3 topical)

Re: Furling in Star and Delta (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Flux on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 12:28:53 AM MST

Yes I suppose it does have something to do with torque on the alternator as long as we are thinking of the correct torque.

The normal rotational torque on the alternator from the blades is not relevant but the torque on the alternator, due to the prop thrust acting on the alternator offset is what determines the furling point so if that is the torque you mean then you are right.

The thrust may be a little different between star and delta depending on the alternator characteristic and what happens in a specific case is a bit difficult to guess.

If well matched in delta the same alternator would probably be stalled in star at the same wind speed, so the thrust in delta may be higher. This would imply a lower furling wind speed in delta. If the machine was well matched in star then the delta connection may let it run fast and with less thrust so that would imply a higher furling speed in delta. Under these conditions the prop seeking force may also affect things and may raise the furling wind speed even higher.

In real life in most cases it would be not very different but the odd case could go way off. Unless someone can come up with a theory to deal with the seeking force it remains mostly trial and more often error.

Flux



Re: Furling in Star and Delta (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by Devo on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 02:44:50 PM MST

My 8 foot mill in star was furling around 30 to 35 amps , when I put it Jerry Rigged it would be over 40 before furling , I assume the amount of power going into the mill was the same but the amount being wasted as heat changed-does that make sense?

I could be wrong here but I believe it takes the same amount of force to furl it but the output may change as different wireing schemes have different effeiciencies at different rpms & different stall points-Is this correct Flux or am I way off?

Devin



Re: Furling in Star and Delta (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Flux on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:05:45 AM MST

That's probably about right as you seem to be loaded fairly well in star or Jerry connection.

With the alternator better matched in jerry in higher winds you would expect more out as you will be running at higher efficiency.

It may also be that with star you are stalling a fair bit and you may have less thrust so it is likely that you may be furling at a slightly higher wind speed in star, showing that the better matching is giving even more than it looks at first sight.

Do you have a change over from star to jerry ? that may be worth the effort to have the best option in low and high winds.

Flux

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