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Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one)


By DanB, Section Wind
Posted on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 05:01:11 PM MST
Lots of fun with the folks from New Mexico

Before I get too deep into the last weeks activities a few words about the 'cheap' ($14 - $20) 'harbor freight' 4.5" grinder.  I've had this one now for 7 years and it gets a few hours use every week.  Recently we had to change the brushes for the 1st time.  Then it got a bit intermittant  (and I bought a new one for $14) - George took it all apart and found a loose wire in there and glued up some broken plastic.  He put it all back together and realized he'd spilled super glue in the switch.  So he took it back apart, fixed the switch, put it back together and it was still intermittant.  He tore it all apart again (at this point Im giving him a hard time for putting 3 hours labor into a $14 grinder) and found a break in a wire - so he changed the cord.  At this point George was getting agitated about the whole ordeal but he did get it working well.  I 'borrowed' it from him and took one brush out...  asked him if there was a trick to getting it working and he just about snapped (he threw it in the trash this time).  I put the brush back in and George forgave me.  At any rate, this might just be the best tool harbor freight sells, they're very tough, better than the expensive makita in my opinion.

Last Sunday afternoon we had guests from Luna Community college in Las Vegas New Mexico.  They came up, rented a cabin and paid us to have a small 'wind turbine' work shop for 3 days.  I warned them that 3 days wasn't very long and that they'd likely not get everything done but hopefully they'd get a grip on how to do it and be able to finish the machine when they got home.  Wonderful folks.  Pictured above George gives Jessica metal work lessons.

Brian and Kevin cut the stainless steel bands for the magnet rotors.

Rich is an excellent instructor.  He didn't do any work himself (except to wind one coil).  On the first day they had the stator cast and the magnet rotors finished.

Scotty came up Monday to show them how he carves blades.  We only used hand tools.  They pretty much  had the blades roughed out by the end of the first day.

We didn't start blades till the stator was in the mold and the magnet rotors were finished (that all took about 4 hours).  Then Kevin and Brian worked on blades while Jessica did metal work.

Jessica was concerned about the sparks that were burning her hair - George gave her a blue rag to cover her head with.

On the second day we changed it up, put Kevin and Brian on metal work while Jessica finished the blades.

Brian was getting close to done with metal work on the 2nd day.  Kevin tightens the studs into the hub getting ready for alternator assembly.

Coaxing the back magnet rotor onto the hub with a rubber hammer...

Kevin cuts the tail vane out of 1/4" baltic birch plywood.

It was fairly cold out -we'd cast the stator on Monday early afternoon.  Tuesday we brought the mold in and put it next to the stove.   Pictured above Kevin has opened the mold and is preparing to take the stator out.

George teaching Brian about the mig welder.  We had enough wind on Tuesday to weld with wind power which was nice.

The blades were finished by about 1 PM on Tuesday - Rich showed them how to assemble and drill out the blades.

Brian and Kevin assemble the alternator and adjust the stator.  I think this was about 3PM on Tuesday.

Fitting the blades to the alternator at about 4PM on Tuesday!

Damned good job - the machine came out very nicely and they finished it in two days!  This was supposed to be a 3 day workshop.

Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) | 9 comments (9 topical, 0 editorial)

Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#1)
by Old F on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 11:03:39 AM MST
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Dan having the right tools and toys makes any project go fast.

I have two of the under 20 buck grinders one for stone discs  and one for sanding discs.
They hold up well.

How is  the weather been up there You would think weather wise this time of year would be tuff  for a class.

But its been a warm winter here in Ohio its 50F right now. I think it has some to do with a new toy I scored.
It a 60 inch three point hitch snow blower for my tractor .
Now I wont see enough snow this winter to use it :  )    

Keep having fun and the best of the holidays

Old F



Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#2)
by DanB (danb@*no spam*otherpower.com) on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 11:07:47 AM MST
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We've had pretty good weather but it wouldn't matter either way.  They could never get up the drive way but it's a short walk and the cabin they rented was only 1/4 mile from our shop...  so the only 'concern' was moose on the path.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) they never did get to see moose.

But the weather is not an issue if people have a cozy cabin to stay in.  Our shop is nice and warm as well.  Worst part was probably working on the tower - it was cold and windy during that bit.

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Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#3)
by Old F on Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 at 11:15:12 AM MST
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Would you be interested  in hammock moose trap?
I hear Dan F has line on them :  )

Old F


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Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#4)
by Boss (brians.outfit(at)gmail.com) on Sun Dec 23rd, 2007 at 12:45:46 PM MST
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Yes sir the workshop was fun and amazingly informative, thanks everyone.
If it is alright with the moderators I'd like to post my newsletter from the day after we returned. Brian

BMN Back on the ranch

December 21st 2007
Good Morning
We're back! Our trip was an outstanding success. Kevin, Jessica and I returned to New Mexico with a perfectly constructed axial flux wind turbine. We photographed almost every stage of the construction. Nell and I just viewed the images. We have some great photos for you. I'll post a few each day, as not to overwhelm the dial up Internet connections on our list.

It feels great to be back at my trusty full sized keyboard and Linux computer. I'm totally dissatisfied with Microsoft Windows, which is what I have on my laptop. It's like I always say, half of what a Windows PC does is to try and protect itself. And since I don't use my laptop for anything except setting up WiFi clients anymore, I never installed any word processor on it. I hope the newsletter came out okay. It seems like you all have a pretty good discussion going on regardless of what I was writing about.

We never got to see the moose. :-(  We were all straining our necks looking over the scenery as we drove down the mountain. I hope you checked out the moose youtube.com link I sent from up there. If you search for otherpower at www.youtube.com you'll see lots of the stuff we saw. Like the border collie attacking a pumpkin, the steam engine with attached axial flux alternator, wind turbines. Yeah the guys are into watching their doggies play. I guess it was the border collie, that was bugging me the final day of the workshop. I was ignoring her, and since I was the only person who hadn't tossed a Frisbee for her, she singled me out for one final attempt at attention. We were in one of the half dozen wind powered cabins getting warm after raising Rich's small wind turbine next door. The border collie was nudging me with a Frisbee. It wasn't having the desired affect I guess, so all of a sudden she launched the Frisbee high into the air and right at me. To my surprise, I caught it. The border collie was anything but surprised. When she saw the Frisbee in my hand she lowered herself to the ground in what was obviously going to be an amazing recoil if I would only cooperate just a little bit. For the next ten minutes the dog and I played Frisbee in the living room, until the other dogs could no longer stand that she was garnering all the attention.

What will we do with all these home brew alternator skills we learned? As some have noted, electricity is cheap, for now, and we are going to pay the basic meter charge whether we use their electricity or not. My feeling is we will always be better off with more knowledge. At this point in my life and I hope yours as well, it can't hurt to know what our options are. I suggest we consolidate meters where we have more than one meter on a property. Back in the day the utility did not charge anything for meters, so it didn't hurt to have one for the barn and one for the house, or if you are like the Rodgers, each household has a meter. That's $60.00 per month just for the three of us to have a way for their meter readers to charge us. Maybe this is the next thing we need to do is make the electric Co-Op buy newer electronic meters so they don't need to invade our privacy once a month. Yeah right. Then they'll charge us $25 per month to pay off the fancy new meters. See this is what I mean, they, in this case the utility company likes to keep us on a leash.

My vision? I want off the leash. But first  I will begin to search for batteries as I build the first wind turbine for the ranch. I have had an epiphany with the wind turbines. As long as we can count on the wind blowing every once in a while we can use the very powerful wind turbine to top off our batteries and I can build the next cabin workshop back on the property in a remote location.  So all you people with solar photo voltaic panels, let's build a wind turbine for you to use instead of a gas powered generator to give your systems that extra edge you need to feel comfortable with off grid living. When the wind isn't blowing, we can build an axial flux alternator for your tractor PTO, Listeroid WVO engine, pedal power device or micro hydro setup.
Yeah man, these alternators put out serious energy with very little effort, nothing like the automotive alternator I put on the exercise bike. These are efficient energy converters.
Okay, I really do have to get ready for work now.
Back on the ranchally yours,
Brian Rodgers
Brian Rodgers



Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#5)
by TomW on Sun Dec 23rd, 2007 at 02:58:10 PM MST
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Brian;

Thanks for sharing. Always like posts about things folks have built. Even if Dan helped. Interesting folks to visit up the mountain and doubly so for dog people.

Cheers.

TomW

"Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."--Mark Twain
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Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#7)
by fcfcfc on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 10:36:34 AM MST
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Hi Sounds like it was allot of fun going up to the mountains. I have never been to CO or NM but I was in TX for a day, Sept 10th 2001 actually.
Just some thoughts on the electric leash and MS-Windows. I am guessing that the base charge is $20 so if you went from 3 meters to one meter that would save you $40. The infrastructure costs though to consolidate 3 - 200 amp mains etc. would make $40 a month a bargain. Just remember that leash allows you to export peak power you don't need if you are generating your own and if you have the need, you can draw 40KW of peak energy for as long as you want. Purchasing that type of on-site "POWER" gen capability  is very costly when the maintenance and running costs are added in to the original costs over the life of the equipment.
The problem with being the number one operating system at the end user level is you are the target of everyone who wants to make trouble. Linux's installed base doesn't share the same visibility and appeal as MS does and the same really goes for Apple as well. Good luck with the new gen..... I bet it will work great....


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Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#6)
by hvirtane (hannu_markus_virtanen(at)yahoo(dot)com) on Mon Dec 24th, 2007 at 08:37:35 AM MST
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We have some great photos for you. I'll post a few each day, as not to overwhelm the dial up Internet connections on our list.

Please do. It would be very nice to see more pictures. Is it going to be a diary?

Thanks a lot for DanB and other for sharing this workshop.

- Hannu



Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#8)
by Boss (brians.outfit(at)gmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 08:06:38 PM MST
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Yeah it'll be in the diary section.
Let me see how is best to upload images

Brian Rodgers

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Re: Wind Turbine Workshop in our shop (part one) (3.00 / 0) (#9)
by Boss (brians.outfit(at)gmail.com) on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 at 08:28:06 PM MST
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This is an easy to use board
Here are some images
http://www.fieldlines.com/user/Boss/files
Brian Rodgers



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